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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3287972" data-attributes="member: 48298">You really need to talk to your DM about what HE/SHE thinks is lawfull.I have played with a DM that penalized a player who was Lawful for inadvertantly breaking the law of a land he was not from. Dm basically wanted the lawful characters to search out all the laws of wherever they were and then follow them, though he would not come out and say this.Some DM's would me more concerned with mala in se (something wrong in and of it self murder/theft etc) that are univeral as opposed to mala prohibita (wrongs that are merely phohibited often arbitrarily.)Some want characters to be robat slaves to their alignment others are not as strict.Think about the differance between a LEGAL SYSTEM and a JUSTICE SYSTEM. In the states currently we have more of a legal as opposed to a justice system. Think Batman vs Superman. Superman is more of the Legal system and Batman is more of the Justice system. Both can be LG for example and have VASTLY opposing views. Some things in this country are leagal and unjust and some are illegal and just. Depending on the state where you live and even the locality if you use force to defend your self and you are wholy justified (moraly) in doing so you can still go to jail and or be sued in civil court. It happens all the time. It is an out cropping of our legal system, and though you were not in the wrong for defending your self or familly you could have commited an illegal act and end up in jail anyways. Unjust but legal.This is where the phrase ignorance is no excuse comes from. It is refering to mala in se acts which are wrong in and of them selves. IE going up and killing a little old lady for no reason but you wanted to. No human on the planet would argue that is right anywhere. Ignorance of any local ordinace not with standing. But having a masked burgler come in your bedroom with a knife or gun and you grab your pistol from your night stand drawer and shoot him you can go to jail. In NY for example you have a duty to retreat first, only use force when there is no retreat. If you say in your testimony you were surpised, sacred and shot first you get a nice trip to club fed. In FL same situation cops say have a nice day and you go free (castle doctrine). And if you are ignorant of the law in NY tough beans. They are applying the saying meant for mala in se to mala prohibita which are 2 different things entirely. This is a politicaly and ethicaly charged senario on purpose. You can have zelots from bothsides be LG and not agree on this issue and feel very strongly about it and have very good arguments bothways.For gaming advice you have seen lots of good ideas in this thread some of them contradicotry. Talk to your DM first find out what his views are and then apply the said applicable advice</blockquote>

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