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<blockquote data-quote="Corlon" data-source="post: 353118" data-attributes="member: 6905"><p>I'm about to start a campaign, and I want to know a few ECLs.</p><p></p><p>I'm using drow and half-celestial and half dragon, and I know that those are +2, +3, and +3, but I'm not sure about a couple races in <em>Minions: Fearsome Foes</em> .</p><p></p><p>The main races I'm looking at are the Asherake, the Knuk, the Dover, and the Vogel.</p><p>The book saysL</p><p>Asherake: +5</p><p>Knuk: +1</p><p>Dover: +0</p><p>Vogel: +0</p><p>For those of you not familiar with this book, I'll tell you the statistics that are given for these races.</p><p></p><p>Asherake</p><p>Large Monstrous Humanoid</p><p>Hit Dice: 6d8+12</p><p>Initiative: +8 (+4 Dex, +4 II)</p><p>Speed: 30ft., fly 70ft. (average)</p><p>AC: 18 (-1 size, +4dex, +2 leather, +3 natural)</p><p>Attacks: bastard sword +8/+3, 2 claws +8, 1 bite +6</p><p>Damage: BS 1d10+3, claw 1d6+3, bite 1d8+1</p><p>Face: 10ft. by 5ft./5ft.</p><p>Special Attacks: Snatch</p><p>Special Qualities: Scent</p><p>Saves: fort +4, Ref +9, Will +5</p><p>Abilities: Str 16, Dex 19, Con 14, Int 12, wis 11, cha 13</p><p>Skills: Hide +6, Intimidate +7, listen +7, Move silently +6, search +6, spot +7</p><p>Feats: FB attack, II, Multiattack</p><p>Chalenge rating: 3</p><p>Snatch=free grapple from air if hits with both claw attacks.</p><p></p><p>Knuk</p><p>Med size humanoid (feline)</p><p>Hite dice: 1d8</p><p>Init: +2 (dex)</p><p>Speed: 30ft.</p><p>AC: 14 (+2 dex, +2 natural)</p><p>Attacks: 4 short swords -1, or langbow +0 and 2 daggers +0, or 4 claws +1 and bit -4</p><p>Damage:you can figure it out</p><p>Face: 5ft. by 5ft./5ft.</p><p>Special Qualities: Low-light vision, multidexterity</p><p>Saves: fort +0, Ref +4, Will +2</p><p>Abilities: Str 12, Dex 15, con 10, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11</p><p>SKills: listen +4, spot +4, wilderness lore +4</p><p>Feats: Multiweapon fighting</p><p>CR: 1/2</p><p></p><p></p><p>The dover and the vogel i'm not so worried about, so if you have the book you can comment on them, if not then don't.</p><p></p><p>What I'm wondering is what bonuses do PCs being these races get, and are these ECLs correct? I thought the Knuk with its 4 arms, and no ability penalties might be a plus two.</p><p></p><p>Can someone help me out here?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Corlon, post: 353118, member: 6905"] I'm about to start a campaign, and I want to know a few ECLs. I'm using drow and half-celestial and half dragon, and I know that those are +2, +3, and +3, but I'm not sure about a couple races in [I]Minions: Fearsome Foes[/I] . The main races I'm looking at are the Asherake, the Knuk, the Dover, and the Vogel. The book saysL Asherake: +5 Knuk: +1 Dover: +0 Vogel: +0 For those of you not familiar with this book, I'll tell you the statistics that are given for these races. Asherake Large Monstrous Humanoid Hit Dice: 6d8+12 Initiative: +8 (+4 Dex, +4 II) Speed: 30ft., fly 70ft. (average) AC: 18 (-1 size, +4dex, +2 leather, +3 natural) Attacks: bastard sword +8/+3, 2 claws +8, 1 bite +6 Damage: BS 1d10+3, claw 1d6+3, bite 1d8+1 Face: 10ft. by 5ft./5ft. Special Attacks: Snatch Special Qualities: Scent Saves: fort +4, Ref +9, Will +5 Abilities: Str 16, Dex 19, Con 14, Int 12, wis 11, cha 13 Skills: Hide +6, Intimidate +7, listen +7, Move silently +6, search +6, spot +7 Feats: FB attack, II, Multiattack Chalenge rating: 3 Snatch=free grapple from air if hits with both claw attacks. Knuk Med size humanoid (feline) Hite dice: 1d8 Init: +2 (dex) Speed: 30ft. AC: 14 (+2 dex, +2 natural) Attacks: 4 short swords -1, or langbow +0 and 2 daggers +0, or 4 claws +1 and bit -4 Damage:you can figure it out Face: 5ft. by 5ft./5ft. Special Qualities: Low-light vision, multidexterity Saves: fort +0, Ref +4, Will +2 Abilities: Str 12, Dex 15, con 10, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11 SKills: listen +4, spot +4, wilderness lore +4 Feats: Multiweapon fighting CR: 1/2 The dover and the vogel i'm not so worried about, so if you have the book you can comment on them, if not then don't. What I'm wondering is what bonuses do PCs being these races get, and are these ECLs correct? I thought the Knuk with its 4 arms, and no ability penalties might be a plus two. Can someone help me out here? [/QUOTE]
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