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<blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 1133815" data-attributes="member: 10504">As was suggested, put your second highest stat in Con, and don't listen to the Troll, that will never get past the DM's Bullsh*t-o-meter.&nbsp; Get a periapt of wisdom, wild hide armor +1, and a wildling clasp from the Masters of the Wild.&nbsp; I wouldn't ever sugest making a physical attack when not wildshaped.Make sure you get the natural spell feat from MotW.&nbsp; The legendary Ape form is off limits, first off it's got 13 HD, and secondly wild shape never applies to legendary animals.&nbsp; Instead, you can pick your shape based on what you need, but if you need a slow moving offensive machine, the giant octopus is not to be beat, even on land.&nbsp; You can hold your breath long enough for almost every battle.&nbsp; 8 arms is pretty fun =)&nbsp; Dire bear is a good form if you have to move, but he doesn't have reach, or 9 attacks, like the octopus.&nbsp; The octopus is the highest CR animal you can turn into, I think.I'd just like to say that I've seen the giant octapus in action, and it gave the level 12 fighter and barbarian in the party pause, cause it was indeed impressive.&nbsp; Add spells like barkskin and bull's strenght.. it gets messy.Add in that you're fighting mind flayers, and it seems you're using the tentecled jerk's weapons against them!&nbsp; Huzzah!Eldorian Antar</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Eldorian, post: 1133815, member: 10504"] As was suggested, put your second highest stat in Con, and don't listen to the Troll, that will never get past the DM's Bullsh*t-o-meter. Get a periapt of wisdom, wild hide armor +1, and a wildling clasp from the Masters of the Wild. I wouldn't ever sugest making a physical attack when not wildshaped. Make sure you get the natural spell feat from MotW. The legendary Ape form is off limits, first off it's got 13 HD, and secondly wild shape never applies to legendary animals. Instead, you can pick your shape based on what you need, but if you need a slow moving offensive machine, the giant octopus is not to be beat, even on land. You can hold your breath long enough for almost every battle. 8 arms is pretty fun =) Dire bear is a good form if you have to move, but he doesn't have reach, or 9 attacks, like the octopus. The octopus is the highest CR animal you can turn into, I think. I'd just like to say that I've seen the giant octapus in action, and it gave the level 12 fighter and barbarian in the party pause, cause it was indeed impressive. Add spells like barkskin and bull's strenght.. it gets messy. Add in that you're fighting mind flayers, and it seems you're using the tentecled jerk's weapons against them! Huzzah! Eldorian Antar [/QUOTE]

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