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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1134204" data-attributes="member: 14225">That could have been a way to word things if that's how it worked - but it's not how they did it.It doesn't fall to -2 and still count as 1, it never drops below 1 in the first place. Which brings us to how Constitution is actually handled in the rules - each hit die is individual, and gets modified individually. By the whole modifier, not the latest change in modifiers.So your hit dice are 4, 3, 1, 2, 3: If you have a +2 modifier you have 23 hit points. If you lose a bunch of Constitution, and now have a -2 Con Modifier you have 6 hit points - not 5.If your Constitution Modifier is changed to +5 and you don't recalculate hit points, you still have 6 hit points, if your Constitution modifier changes again to +6 and you recalculate hit points, your hit points are now 43. That's how it works in 3rd edition. That's how it works in 3.5 as well, but they dropped the idea that you could change Constitution and have it not affect hit points altogether (because it really didn't work well as we can clearly see).That would seem to be pretty unclear, as there are a number of slightly obscure statements. Custserv clears it up thusly:That's good enough for me, and it had better be good enough for you as well - being as it is official and stuff. Base hit points - the things you roll on your actual hit dice - are not changed by Alter Self. Polymorph inherits that, and also does not change your base hit points. However, where Alter Self does not change your Constitution, Polymorph does, and thus while Alter Self does not change your total hit points - Polymorph sometimes will (if you select a form which has a markedly different Con from yourself.) Wildshape is based on Polymorph and does the same thing.-Frank</blockquote>

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