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<blockquote data-quote="Knight Otu" data-source="post: 1821704" data-attributes="member: 192">A few points that were brought up on the other thread:&nbsp;&nbsp;Regarding the AC Bonus, it is similar to a monks' AC bonus.&nbsp; The monk receives a Wis bonus to AC, and an untyped bonus that slowly increases. I could easily see it made into a deflection bonus, though.&nbsp;&nbsp;The Songs of the Storms United ability wording sounding clunky:&nbsp;You're certainly not alone in thinking that it sounds clunky. I think so as well.&nbsp; The idea is that the dervish can relay the powers of a beneficial bardic music effect as if he were creating it himself. In case of a countersong, as long as the dervish is within 30 feet of the performing bard, he can attempt the appropriate Perform check (DC 18, since countersong requires at least 3 ranks) to allow allies within 30 feet of himself benefit from countersong, but using the dervish's Perform check result.&nbsp; If the bardic music ability requires a target, the bard would have to target the dervish to allow the dervish to use this ability.&nbsp;&nbsp; Does that help a bit?&nbsp; That said, there are two things I might change: For one, reviewing the Song of Freedom, it does not make too much sense to be able to be relayed this way. Also, for abilities that depend on the bard's Perform check result (only countersong currently, but feats and PrCs might introduce more), the dervish propably should not be able to get a better result.&nbsp;&nbsp;The movement mastery ability might be moved to a higher level (5th or 6th), and the Songs of the Blade ability might move down in level instead.&nbsp;&nbsp;Regarding the flavor of the Songs of the Blade ability:&nbsp;It is meant to illustrate the love the Sairundani, and especially the dervishes, have for blades, song and dance beyond combat. The dervish usually dances along with his scimitars, and picks up subtle differences between weapons. This ability is a supernatural extension of that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I could see it being limited to scimitars, or at least sword-like weapons.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; Also, it is of course based on the 3.5 version of identify. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Knight Otu, post: 1821704, member: 192"] A few points that were brought up on the other thread: Regarding the AC Bonus, it is similar to a monks' AC bonus. The monk receives a Wis bonus to AC, and an untyped bonus that slowly increases. I could easily see it made into a deflection bonus, though. The Songs of the Storms United ability wording sounding clunky: You're certainly not alone in thinking that it sounds clunky. I think so as well. The idea is that the dervish can relay the powers of a beneficial bardic music effect as if he were creating it himself. In case of a countersong, as long as the dervish is within 30 feet of the performing bard, he can attempt the appropriate Perform check (DC 18, since countersong requires at least 3 ranks) to allow allies within 30 feet of himself benefit from countersong, but using the dervish's Perform check result. If the bardic music ability requires a target, the bard would have to target the dervish to allow the dervish to use this ability. Does that help a bit? That said, there are two things I might change: For one, reviewing the Song of Freedom, it does not make too much sense to be able to be relayed this way. Also, for abilities that depend on the bard's Perform check result (only countersong currently, but feats and PrCs might introduce more), the dervish propably should not be able to get a better result. The movement mastery ability might be moved to a higher level (5th or 6th), and the Songs of the Blade ability might move down in level instead. Regarding the flavor of the Songs of the Blade ability: It is meant to illustrate the love the Sairundani, and especially the dervishes, have for blades, song and dance beyond combat. The dervish usually dances along with his scimitars, and picks up subtle differences between weapons. This ability is a supernatural extension of that. I could see it being limited to scimitars, or at least sword-like weapons. Also, it is of course based on the 3.5 version of identify. :) [/QUOTE]

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