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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4863389" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>The easiest way to reliably cast two spells a round before quicken spell becomes regularly affordable is to be a sorcerer and take those spells in complete Mage that are sorcerer only and let you cast two lower level spells simultaneously, for the cost of that spell, which is higher level (and spending a spell known on it solely to cast other spells you know faster). Wish I could remember the name of them, I'll go look it up later.</p><p></p><p>I like the Arcane Heirophant and Geomancer better than Mystic Theurge, because they're just a lot more powerful (too much, IMO, but you want munchkin). Though, both favor druid/wizard more than druid/sorcerer, and sorc is worse for dual progression PrCs in general since you need to wait an extra level to get in. Take a new dual-progression prestige class after the first if your DM is crazy enough to allow that (I don't). You might be able to get dual 9th level spells by epic. Certainly at least 8th level in both.</p><p></p><p>Browse here: <a href="http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Feats.pdf" target="_blank">http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Feats.pdf</a> for feats. There are some pretty powerful/broken feats, especially from dragon magazine, for this kind of build. for example, Theurgic Specialist on p. 95. Requires you to be a specialist wizard.</p><p></p><p>"When you cast spells from your Specialized School of Magic from any of your spellcasting classes, your effective Caster level is the sum of all your spellcasting classes."</p><p></p><p>Arguably, that would make dual progression levels count double in that regard. Again, I wouldn't...but may as well ask.</p><p></p><p>There's also Alternative Spell Source, on p. 94 (metamagic).</p><p></p><p>"You may prepare an Arcane spell in a Divine spell slot of the same level and/or a Divine spell in an Arcane spell slot of the same level. In each case, the Caster level of that spell is one lower than usual.</p><p>+0 Level Adjustment."</p><p></p><p>I don't get it, though. Wouldn't it be faster and easier, and more satisfying, to just try and rebuild your old PC as best you can recall? Surely you remember most of his feats, major spells, etc...?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4863389, member: 35909"] The easiest way to reliably cast two spells a round before quicken spell becomes regularly affordable is to be a sorcerer and take those spells in complete Mage that are sorcerer only and let you cast two lower level spells simultaneously, for the cost of that spell, which is higher level (and spending a spell known on it solely to cast other spells you know faster). Wish I could remember the name of them, I'll go look it up later. I like the Arcane Heirophant and Geomancer better than Mystic Theurge, because they're just a lot more powerful (too much, IMO, but you want munchkin). Though, both favor druid/wizard more than druid/sorcerer, and sorc is worse for dual progression PrCs in general since you need to wait an extra level to get in. Take a new dual-progression prestige class after the first if your DM is crazy enough to allow that (I don't). You might be able to get dual 9th level spells by epic. Certainly at least 8th level in both. Browse here: [url]http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Feats.pdf[/url] for feats. There are some pretty powerful/broken feats, especially from dragon magazine, for this kind of build. for example, Theurgic Specialist on p. 95. Requires you to be a specialist wizard. "When you cast spells from your Specialized School of Magic from any of your spellcasting classes, your effective Caster level is the sum of all your spellcasting classes." Arguably, that would make dual progression levels count double in that regard. Again, I wouldn't...but may as well ask. There's also Alternative Spell Source, on p. 94 (metamagic). "You may prepare an Arcane spell in a Divine spell slot of the same level and/or a Divine spell in an Arcane spell slot of the same level. In each case, the Caster level of that spell is one lower than usual. +0 Level Adjustment." I don't get it, though. Wouldn't it be faster and easier, and more satisfying, to just try and rebuild your old PC as best you can recall? Surely you remember most of his feats, major spells, etc...? [/QUOTE]
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