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<blockquote data-quote="mkletch" data-source="post: 488292" data-attributes="member: 3396">There is no hard &amp; fast rule, but there is a strong implication that +10 is the non-epic limit.&nbsp; Anything with a Jump effect, of course, is the notable exception.&nbsp; I think the epic limit is +20.The DMG errata did change it to +100% on subsequent, added effects (i.e. double the cost).&nbsp; The &quot;by the book&quot; on this one would be:5440 for identify [(1800*1*1 + 50*100) * (4/5)]1000 for detect magic [2000*0.5*1]2000 for non-epic +10 spellcraft bonus (20 * 10^2)&nbsp; or125000 for epic +25 spellcraft bonus (20*25^2*10)I'm assuming you want the non-epic version, so you'd double the detect magic and spellcraft:5440 + (1000 + 2000)*2 = 11,440gpNow, it's not that powerful if you use identify as in the book (only the most basic power revealed).&nbsp; It is, afterall, only a 1st level spell.&nbsp; The other abilities are fairly trivial, and almost typical.&nbsp; Still, you are the DM, and it is your perrogative to alloow or disallow any item.&nbsp; If I were you, though, I'd try to have a good reason.&nbsp; If someone burned a feat on Forge Ring and you rule-0 even the most basic items, there could be some hard feelings from the player in question. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />-Fletch!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mkletch, post: 488292, member: 3396"] There is no hard & fast rule, but there is a strong implication that +10 is the non-epic limit. Anything with a Jump effect, of course, is the notable exception. I think the epic limit is +20. The DMG errata did change it to +100% on subsequent, added effects (i.e. double the cost). The "by the book" on this one would be: 5440 for identify [(1800*1*1 + 50*100) * (4/5)] 1000 for detect magic [2000*0.5*1] 2000 for non-epic +10 spellcraft bonus (20 * 10^2) [u]or[/u] 125000 for epic +25 spellcraft bonus (20*25^2*10) I'm assuming you want the non-epic version, so you'd double the detect magic and spellcraft: 5440 + (1000 + 2000)*2 = 11,440gp Now, it's not that powerful if you use identify as in the book (only the most basic power revealed). It is, afterall, only a 1st level spell. The other abilities are fairly trivial, and almost typical. Still, you are the DM, and it is your perrogative to alloow or disallow any item. If I were you, though, I'd try to have a good reason. If someone burned a feat on Forge Ring and you rule-0 even the most basic items, there could be some hard feelings from the player in question. :( -Fletch! [/QUOTE]

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