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<blockquote data-quote="Stone Dog" data-source="post: 2934384" data-attributes="member: 16705"><p>From WotC. Sneak attack trumps Sudden Strike since for all purposes Sudden Strike is merely an inferior version of Sneak attack. Skirmish is mildly different since it applies to a completely seperate set of circumstances than either of them, but sneak attack still trumps it. So if your 10th level character has 5d6 sneak attack and 2d6 skirmish, and you skirmish over to attack an enemy your ally is flanking then you get 5d6 in sneak attack. </p><p>The intent of Gestalt is to give a character the abilities of two different character classes of the same level NOT to give a character abilities of a higher level than normal. A character with more than half their character level in precision based bonus damage (sneak, sudden, skirmish) is going beyond the intent of the gestalt rules. </p><p>If you have sneak attack and skirmish, you can use one where the other doesn't apply. Sneak attack if you are flanking, skirmish if you are just moving around alot or the greater if both applies. If you have both sneak attack and sudden strike then you just get sneak attack because there is no situation where sudden strike works and sneak attack doesn't.</p><p>This is different from normal multiclassing because it has to be to prevent abuses. If you juggle certain classes normally you can get a third level character with 3d6 worth of precision based damage, but the +0 BAB and poor saves even lower than normal are supposed to counteract that. Gestalt doesn't have that problem.</p><p></p><p>It is a loophole that needs errata to close, but WotC has confirmed that errata for Unearthed Arcana isn't on their priority list in any way. It was something like "Unearthed Arcana is a collection of OGL content optional or "house" rules. As none of it is official a seperate errata is unnecessary." It irritates me because every so often I find myself explaining a position that won't be supported in any published documents from Wizards.</p><p></p><p> Yes. That is true. A gestalt character that had Bbn3/ftr3 and say wiz6 would have the same Fort save as a Bbn 6 or Ftr6 instead because both of them have six levels of good fort save. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, I have shared all the "wisdom" that WotC saw fit to give me and I am tired of it all. Take it or leave it as you see fit. I wash my hands of it.</p><p></p><p>Except to say that if you really wanted ten bonus dice, gestalt rogue with warlock. You can sneak attack with a ray so a tenth level warlock/rogue could get ten dice with a sneaky eldritch blast. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>There. That is all. There isn't anymore. Goodnight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stone Dog, post: 2934384, member: 16705"] From WotC. Sneak attack trumps Sudden Strike since for all purposes Sudden Strike is merely an inferior version of Sneak attack. Skirmish is mildly different since it applies to a completely seperate set of circumstances than either of them, but sneak attack still trumps it. So if your 10th level character has 5d6 sneak attack and 2d6 skirmish, and you skirmish over to attack an enemy your ally is flanking then you get 5d6 in sneak attack. The intent of Gestalt is to give a character the abilities of two different character classes of the same level NOT to give a character abilities of a higher level than normal. A character with more than half their character level in precision based bonus damage (sneak, sudden, skirmish) is going beyond the intent of the gestalt rules. If you have sneak attack and skirmish, you can use one where the other doesn't apply. Sneak attack if you are flanking, skirmish if you are just moving around alot or the greater if both applies. If you have both sneak attack and sudden strike then you just get sneak attack because there is no situation where sudden strike works and sneak attack doesn't. This is different from normal multiclassing because it has to be to prevent abuses. If you juggle certain classes normally you can get a third level character with 3d6 worth of precision based damage, but the +0 BAB and poor saves even lower than normal are supposed to counteract that. Gestalt doesn't have that problem. It is a loophole that needs errata to close, but WotC has confirmed that errata for Unearthed Arcana isn't on their priority list in any way. It was something like "Unearthed Arcana is a collection of OGL content optional or "house" rules. As none of it is official a seperate errata is unnecessary." It irritates me because every so often I find myself explaining a position that won't be supported in any published documents from Wizards. Yes. That is true. A gestalt character that had Bbn3/ftr3 and say wiz6 would have the same Fort save as a Bbn 6 or Ftr6 instead because both of them have six levels of good fort save. Anyway, I have shared all the "wisdom" that WotC saw fit to give me and I am tired of it all. Take it or leave it as you see fit. I wash my hands of it. Except to say that if you really wanted ten bonus dice, gestalt rogue with warlock. You can sneak attack with a ray so a tenth level warlock/rogue could get ten dice with a sneaky eldritch blast. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. ;) There. That is all. There isn't anymore. Goodnight. [/QUOTE]
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