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<blockquote data-quote="N8Ball" data-source="post: 4858737" data-attributes="member: 63757">His reasoning makes complete sense and at no point did he reference &quot;realism&quot;, only the *game terms* weapon and implement and their application in a strict sense.As for balance I would agree with both dhunton and shinigamiza that this is balanced as there are plenty other feats to apply to implements without stacking weapon feats on top of them.It may be worth noting that Nimble blade is not necessarily just a melee feat as it may apply to thrown daggers and shuriken, but they are still being wielded as weapons and not implements.&nbsp; Also, I don't think that it's too much of a stretch to assume that wielding a dagger or staff as an implement and wielding it as a weapon are pretty much completely different since a) you don't apply a proficiency bonus to implement attacks, b) it's possible to be proficient with an item as an implement but not as a weapon, c) it's possible to be proficient with an item as a weapon, but not as an implement.That fundamental separation in thier use argues strongly for a separation in the feats that apply to each category.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N8Ball, post: 4858737, member: 63757"] His reasoning makes complete sense and at no point did he reference "realism", only the *game terms* weapon and implement and their application in a strict sense. As for balance I would agree with both dhunton and shinigamiza that this is balanced as there are plenty other feats to apply to implements without stacking weapon feats on top of them. It may be worth noting that Nimble blade is not necessarily just a melee feat as it may apply to thrown daggers and shuriken, but they are still being wielded as weapons and not implements. Also, I don't think that it's too much of a stretch to assume that wielding a dagger or staff as an implement and wielding [U][/U]it as a weapon are pretty much completely different since a) you don't apply a proficiency bonus to implement attacks, b) it's possible to be proficient with an item as an implement but not as a weapon, c) it's possible to be proficient with an item as a weapon, but not as an implement. That fundamental separation in thier use argues strongly for a separation in the feats that apply to each category. [/QUOTE]

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