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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magus_Jerel" data-source="post: 140595" data-attributes="member: 3940">Quick answerI would cost the item exactly as you seem to be asking for it at 34,600 gp market price.With a seemingly minor change - you could cut the cost down to 8056gpFirst, the polymorph feature of the item as you describe it "activates when the character wearing it rages" - which is use activated - not command word.  Second, the barbarian's rage can be entered as a free action, and the spell would come into effect at that speed. I thus require that the spell be metamagicked to quicken spell - and charge you for a level 8 spell - not a fourth level one - and assign minimum caster level at 15th.Yes - this hurts... but now for the bright side.The nifty cost reducing thing about this item, is that the number of times it can be used is limited by the fact that the typical "barbarian" cannot rage all that often.Thus, I would divide the base cost by 5.  I would NOT award the "class ability only" discount in this case, as this is how the item can only be used a certain number of times per day.  The higher level barbarian could get more use out of it - which is nice if the item gets into the hands of the "right" character.Now, because only one form is possible - and you therefore have a limited function of a given spell - I would give you a 30 percent discount on the polymorph feature.My equation for the polymorph ability useable only in conjunction with, and activating simultaneously upon a character entering a rage:(.7(15 x8 x2000))/5 +1000gpSpell requires 15th caster levelAfter quickening this is an 8th level spellItem is use activatedSpell is limited - in that you may take only one formItem is useable only a specific number of times per day+1 enhancement bonus to ACThe equation comes out at 34,600gp base price.Version 2:If you specify that the barbarian must speak a specific phrase as he enters a rage - rendering the activation both that of a standard action, and a command word. - the formula changes:(.7(7 X4 x1800))/5 +1000gpSpell requires 7th caster levelSpell is fourth levelItem is command word activatedItem is useable only a specific number of times per day+1 enhancement bonus to ACThis version comes out to an incredibly cheap 8056gp -about the cost of a +2 to +3 item.Requirements for version 1:Polymorph self, Creator must know the quicken spell feat and be able to apply it to this spell. (thus - 15th caster level using wizard version) Craft Arms and ArmorRequirement for version 2:Polymorph self, Craft Arms and ArmorIn either version - the +1 of the armor is useable by any character - so this is undiscounted.  In either version - you must also specify that ending the rage also ends the polymorph effect.Now - as far as the objection that the character would only want to turn into a bear while raging - I would say no.  The one situation where you want to turn into something other than a bear - you can't - and that one situation is often all you need.  Also - remember that the character using this armor HAS to be able to rage - the fighter, ranger, rogue - druid... no one else can use the item in this capacity.  Second, there are plenty of times when you con't want to use this feature at all - such as when fighting something that you need a magic weapon to hit.  Third, don't make the mistake of judging an item based solely on how THAT character will use it - judge it based on how any given character might use it - or in this case, not be able to do so.</blockquote>

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