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<blockquote data-quote="Ry" data-source="post: 3271419" data-attributes="member: 8314">Hmm... that helps a lot actually...How about this:There are 2 kinds of - the Transitive (stars) and the demiplanes.From a demiplane, you have two sets of stars.&nbsp; These are the lower and upper firmament.&nbsp; The lower firmament is your demiplane's sun, sky and any places in the sky that that you could actually physically travel to (planets, asteroids, moons, whatever).&nbsp; The upper firmament is the stars that form a kind of sphere around your world.&nbsp; In addition to these stars, you can also see some other demiplanes' spheres of stars / upper firmaments.&nbsp; Since they are so far away, they usually appear as single stars.When you travel from your demiplane to the transitive plane, all of the matter of your plane (and the lower firmament) disappears.&nbsp; All you can see are the upper firmaments.&nbsp; The upper firmament of your local demiplane is of course the closest, but you can still see the distant stars that are actually the upper firmaments of other planes.&nbsp; If you took enough time, you could go directly to the other plane via &quot;sailing&quot; in the transitive.&nbsp; Other objects are in the transitive too (shipwrecks, asteroids, etc.), but were originally brought here from the demiplanes.&nbsp; Now the question is ... which explanation of what portals are is best?&nbsp; I'm leaning to a combination of the ideas above, where you have to be under a star (that star is actually the distant demiplane) but that star must be passing through a constellation, and that alignment determines where you end up on the destination demiplane depending on that constellation's position in the upper firmament of the destination demiplane.&nbsp; The only problem with this is that it makes constant portals impossible, I think.&nbsp; Can someone show me the way to make these work?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ry, post: 3271419, member: 8314"] Hmm... that helps a lot actually... How about this: There are 2 kinds of - the Transitive (stars) and the demiplanes. From a demiplane, you have two sets of stars. These are the lower and upper firmament. The lower firmament is your demiplane's sun, sky and any places in the sky that that you could actually physically travel to (planets, asteroids, moons, whatever). The upper firmament is the stars that form a kind of sphere around your world. In addition to these stars, you can also see some other demiplanes' spheres of stars / upper firmaments. Since they are so far away, they usually appear as single stars. When you travel from your demiplane to the transitive plane, all of the matter of your plane (and the lower firmament) disappears. All you can see are the upper firmaments. The upper firmament of your local demiplane is of course the closest, but you can still see the distant stars that are actually the upper firmaments of other planes. If you took enough time, you could go directly to the other plane via "sailing" in the transitive. Other objects are in the transitive too (shipwrecks, asteroids, etc.), but were originally brought here from the demiplanes. Now the question is ... which explanation of what portals are is best? I'm leaning to a combination of the ideas above, where you have to be under a star (that star is actually the distant demiplane) but that star must be passing through a constellation, and that alignment determines where you end up on the destination demiplane depending on that constellation's position in the upper firmament of the destination demiplane. The only problem with this is that it makes constant portals impossible, I think. Can someone show me the way to make these work? [/QUOTE]

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