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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2122484" data-attributes="member: 12037">Yes but that's the most recent incarnation of wish that was supposed to be run as a punishment for players. It's still pervertable, of course, it even says so in the description. But, really, if you stay within the bounds of the spell, it is supposed to be safe to use. The old standby of &quot;the 10,000 gp you wished for is from the hoard of a nearby dragon&quot; isn't encouraged. It quite easily makes up to 25,000 gp.Yes, a 17th level wizard knowing the limitations of his own spell is so metagamey. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Notice that I said if the DM wants, Knowlege (Arcane) checks can be made. a 17th level wizard will probably have around a +25 to the check, so getting a 35 DC is a 50/50 chance.I don't see this as different than asking for rules clarification from the DM on how he runs other aspects of his campaign.A character getting someone else to cast the wish for them would be wise to discuss what they think a good wish would be. The wording on the wish spell is pretty codified:I don't see how there's any way that a wish can copy the effects of what is being discussed in this thread. It isn't an omnipotent spell, its only 9th level. Around the power of gate and wail of the banshee. Just a bit more powerful because of the xp component.The problem is that the DM who does this enjoys screwing over the player. The wishes will be great for the NPCs, but even though the PC wasn't even mentioned, somehow it will come back to haunt them.I agree, and I think its a shame. A bad DM can turn a fun 9th level spell into an ego contest. =/</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 2122484, member: 12037"] Yes but that's the most recent incarnation of [i]wish [/i]that was supposed to be run as a punishment for players. It's still pervertable, of course, it even says so in the description. But, really, if you stay within the bounds of the spell, it is supposed to be safe to use. The old standby of "the 10,000 gp you wished for is from the hoard of a nearby dragon" isn't encouraged. It quite easily makes up to 25,000 gp. Yes, a 17th level wizard knowing the limitations of his own spell is [i]so[/i] metagamey. :p Notice that I said if the DM wants, Knowlege (Arcane) checks can be made. a 17th level wizard will probably have around a +25 to the check, so getting a 35 DC is a 50/50 chance. I don't see this as different than asking for rules clarification from the DM on how he runs other aspects of his campaign. A character getting someone else to cast the [i]wish [/i]for them would be wise to discuss what they think a good wish would be. The wording on the wish spell is pretty codified: I don't see how there's any way that a wish can copy the effects of what is being discussed in this thread. It isn't an omnipotent spell, its only 9th level. Around the power of [i]gate[/i] and [i]wail of the banshee[/i]. Just a bit more powerful because of the xp component. The problem is that the DM who does this enjoys screwing over the player. The wishes will be great for the NPCs, but even though the PC wasn't even mentioned, somehow it will come back to haunt them. I agree, and I think its a shame. A bad DM can turn a fun 9th level spell into an ego contest. =/ [/QUOTE]

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