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<blockquote data-quote="wuyanei" data-source="post: 2123506" data-attributes="member: 28913"><p>Instead of wishing for some permanent and highly unpredictable change your Eldritch blast ability, perhaps you would be better served by wishing for several items grants the wearer Spell Immunity [your (and only your) Eldritch blast]. That way, even if it doesn't work out, you and your allies can still simply refuse to wear the item (unless the items are cursed, in which case you are doomed <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />).</p><p></p><p>For example, wish for (assuming a four PC party) : "A set of four rings, three of brass and one of silver. Any wearer of one of the three brass rings in this set of four rings gains immunity to any Eldritch Blast cast by the wearer of the single silver ring in this set of four rings, as if the wearer of the brass ring were under a <em>Spell Immunity</em> spell." (based on the commander 's ring / purple dragon rings in Magic of Faerun)</p><p></p><p> Before you make the wish, take you DM aside and explain to him why your wish is not asking for too much:</p><p></p><p>Each ring is basically a magical item granting a continual but very limited Spell Immunity spell to the wearer. Spell Immunity is a 4th level spell, so the base cost of each ring would be about 4 * 7 * 2000 = 56000 gp !! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></p><p></p><p>However, most of the power of spell immunity comes from the freedom to choose *any* single spell to be immune to. Argue that limiting the Immunity to Eldritch Blast takes away most of the power of the <em>Spell Immunity</em> spell -- perhaps worth a halving of the price:</p><p>Base Price 28000 gp.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, the wearer is not actually immune to eldritch blasts. They are only immune to eldritch blasts by cast by one person -- the wearer of the silver ring. Argue that this should be worth a quartering of the price (as you are still vulnerable to any eldritch blast cast by any foe): Base Price 7000 gp -- about in line with a Ring of Counterspells (8000 gp), and I'd still say it's a bit overpriced at that.</p><p></p><p>The silver ring takes up a ring slot without actually granting you any ability *at all*... it's just a identifying key that the brass rings are attuned to. Argue that its enchantment cost is subsumed into enchanting the other three rings (you make four rings as a set, one silver, three brass. Each extra brass ring costs an extra 7000 gp).</p><p></p><p>So the total base price for the set would be 21000 gp, which is within the 25000 gp limit for creating non-magical items with the wish spell. The 'arguements' can certainly be improved upon, but I think a Ring of Counterspells is a fair benchmark for such an item. You could even improve the rings later on, adding <em>telepathic bond</em> or some other ability -- make the rings the 'signature items' of your party or something.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'd suggest that you refuse the wish, and simply make the items yourself. Coerced wishes (planar binded djinn, gated solars), or wishes granted by evil creatures (efreeti, balors) *never* fully work out IMC, no matter how carefully you word them.</p><p></p><p>IMC, if you want a really good wish, you take the XP hit and cast it yourself. If you wish for too much, the wish just... fizzles, with no bad consequences to you. If somebody else casts a wish for you, they are allowed to interpret the wish however they like, regardless of your desires (or even your exact wording!). If the wish is granted as a reward, the wish granter probably won't cheat you... but you never know for sure. If you cast a wish from an object (such as from a Ring of Three Wishes), the object interprets your wish in the most literal manner possible, following the path of least resistance regardless of your true intent. The object simply has no true comprehension of your desires, so you should keep your wish as simple and direct as possible.</p><p></p><p>Finally, you could simply buy a Wand of Spell Immunity for 21000 gp, and use it regularly on your party's melee fighters. 70 min / 420 gp -- cheap at the price, and no possibility of DM chicanery. Thats what I would do, anyways. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wuyanei, post: 2123506, member: 28913"] Instead of wishing for some permanent and highly unpredictable change your Eldritch blast ability, perhaps you would be better served by wishing for several items grants the wearer Spell Immunity [your (and only your) Eldritch blast]. That way, even if it doesn't work out, you and your allies can still simply refuse to wear the item (unless the items are cursed, in which case you are doomed :lol:). For example, wish for (assuming a four PC party) : "A set of four rings, three of brass and one of silver. Any wearer of one of the three brass rings in this set of four rings gains immunity to any Eldritch Blast cast by the wearer of the single silver ring in this set of four rings, as if the wearer of the brass ring were under a [i]Spell Immunity[/i] spell." (based on the commander 's ring / purple dragon rings in Magic of Faerun) Before you make the wish, take you DM aside and explain to him why your wish is not asking for too much: Each ring is basically a magical item granting a continual but very limited Spell Immunity spell to the wearer. Spell Immunity is a 4th level spell, so the base cost of each ring would be about 4 * 7 * 2000 = 56000 gp !! :eek: However, most of the power of spell immunity comes from the freedom to choose *any* single spell to be immune to. Argue that limiting the Immunity to Eldritch Blast takes away most of the power of the [i]Spell Immunity[/i] spell -- perhaps worth a halving of the price: Base Price 28000 gp. Furthermore, the wearer is not actually immune to eldritch blasts. They are only immune to eldritch blasts by cast by one person -- the wearer of the silver ring. Argue that this should be worth a quartering of the price (as you are still vulnerable to any eldritch blast cast by any foe): Base Price 7000 gp -- about in line with a Ring of Counterspells (8000 gp), and I'd still say it's a bit overpriced at that. The silver ring takes up a ring slot without actually granting you any ability *at all*... it's just a identifying key that the brass rings are attuned to. Argue that its enchantment cost is subsumed into enchanting the other three rings (you make four rings as a set, one silver, three brass. Each extra brass ring costs an extra 7000 gp). So the total base price for the set would be 21000 gp, which is within the 25000 gp limit for creating non-magical items with the wish spell. The 'arguements' can certainly be improved upon, but I think a Ring of Counterspells is a fair benchmark for such an item. You could even improve the rings later on, adding [i]telepathic bond[/i] or some other ability -- make the rings the 'signature items' of your party or something. Personally, I'd suggest that you refuse the wish, and simply make the items yourself. Coerced wishes (planar binded djinn, gated solars), or wishes granted by evil creatures (efreeti, balors) *never* fully work out IMC, no matter how carefully you word them. IMC, if you want a really good wish, you take the XP hit and cast it yourself. If you wish for too much, the wish just... fizzles, with no bad consequences to you. If somebody else casts a wish for you, they are allowed to interpret the wish however they like, regardless of your desires (or even your exact wording!). If the wish is granted as a reward, the wish granter probably won't cheat you... but you never know for sure. If you cast a wish from an object (such as from a Ring of Three Wishes), the object interprets your wish in the most literal manner possible, following the path of least resistance regardless of your true intent. The object simply has no true comprehension of your desires, so you should keep your wish as simple and direct as possible. Finally, you could simply buy a Wand of Spell Immunity for 21000 gp, and use it regularly on your party's melee fighters. 70 min / 420 gp -- cheap at the price, and no possibility of DM chicanery. Thats what I would do, anyways. :p [/QUOTE]
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