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<blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6160346" data-attributes="member: 6678119"><p>Eldritch Claws + Beast Strike means that the claw damage gets added to unarmed damage. Note that the regular claw damage for Eldritch Claws is unarmed strike damage + EB damage, meaning that Beast Strike effectively doubles your unarmed damage and then adds claw damage on top of that. And since it's an unarmed strike being used, it can do iteratives because unarmed strikes aren't treated as natural weapons when it comes to full attacks. That much is pretty straightforward.</p><p></p><p>What isn't straightforward is whether the character can follow up with its actual claw attacks as secondary natural weapons. The reason it's not clear is it's typically understood that if you make an iterative attack with a weapon, you can't use the hand/limb wielding that weapon for a claw attack. This gets wonky with unarmed strikes because it's noted that unarmed strikes can be made with any body part, thus it seems possible that the character could do a series of kicks as his unarmed strikes, followed by the claw attacks. Also note the <a href="http://dndtools.eu/feats/tome-of-battle-the-book-of-nine-swords--88/snap-kick--2658/" target="_blank">Snap Kick</a> feat screws with players even more since the fluff obviously says it's a kick.</p><p></p><p>It's messy and something that has to have a DM ruling because there is simply no way for the internet to come to a satisfactory agreement on it. Too many people have too many different interpretations of RAW, RAI, or even Read As Reasonable to actually mean a damn thing when it comes to certain oddities about unarmed strikes and various things based on them. In case you're curious, even WotC can't make up its mind when it comes to US.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?88125-WotC-ruling-on-TWF-Flurry-of-Blows" target="_blank">Here's a thread with some handy links about WotC's stances on unarmed strikes</a>.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/26167777/Help_with_Frost_Rager_Barbarian_Fist_of_the_Forest?post_id=474713553#474713553" target="_blank">And then there's this thread where people went over the manufactured and natural weapon rules in such a way that a mod had to lock it because one of the posters (you'll be quite able to tell who) was a stubborn bonehead with very bad reading comprehension.</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jackinthegreen, post: 6160346, member: 6678119"] Eldritch Claws + Beast Strike means that the claw damage gets added to unarmed damage. Note that the regular claw damage for Eldritch Claws is unarmed strike damage + EB damage, meaning that Beast Strike effectively doubles your unarmed damage and then adds claw damage on top of that. And since it's an unarmed strike being used, it can do iteratives because unarmed strikes aren't treated as natural weapons when it comes to full attacks. That much is pretty straightforward. What isn't straightforward is whether the character can follow up with its actual claw attacks as secondary natural weapons. The reason it's not clear is it's typically understood that if you make an iterative attack with a weapon, you can't use the hand/limb wielding that weapon for a claw attack. This gets wonky with unarmed strikes because it's noted that unarmed strikes can be made with any body part, thus it seems possible that the character could do a series of kicks as his unarmed strikes, followed by the claw attacks. Also note the [URL="http://dndtools.eu/feats/tome-of-battle-the-book-of-nine-swords--88/snap-kick--2658/"]Snap Kick[/URL] feat screws with players even more since the fluff obviously says it's a kick. It's messy and something that has to have a DM ruling because there is simply no way for the internet to come to a satisfactory agreement on it. Too many people have too many different interpretations of RAW, RAI, or even Read As Reasonable to actually mean a damn thing when it comes to certain oddities about unarmed strikes and various things based on them. In case you're curious, even WotC can't make up its mind when it comes to US. [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?88125-WotC-ruling-on-TWF-Flurry-of-Blows"]Here's a thread with some handy links about WotC's stances on unarmed strikes[/URL]. [URL="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/26167777/Help_with_Frost_Rager_Barbarian_Fist_of_the_Forest?post_id=474713553#474713553"]And then there's this thread where people went over the manufactured and natural weapon rules in such a way that a mod had to lock it because one of the posters (you'll be quite able to tell who) was a stubborn bonehead with very bad reading comprehension.[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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