Need Latin help again

[Ry]

OK, so I know

Jus Ad Bellum means something like "Justice resorting to War"

Jus In Bello means "Justice in war"

Jus post bellum means "Justice after war"

What would you use for "Justice in conducting espionage" ??

 

[Clueless]

It may depend on the type of espionage you're looking at:
"Conspiro" - would imply conspiracy, with multiple collaborators.
"Exploro" - would be investigation, exploring, scouting.
"Specto" - observation, watching, examinations, stake-outs.

I suspect you want Conspiro

 

[Geron Raveneye]

Well, in my (admittedly old) dictionary, a spy in latin is called "Speculator", and "to spy" is called "speculari". Not sure if this helps, though.

 

[lukelightning]

Personally I'm a big fun of Dog Latin: Sacrifice authenticity for flavor.

"Jus in Conspiro" sounds like you're plotting, not spying.
"Jus in Especulo" sounds better.

 

[Draloric]

It would be something like:

in speculando ius

or

in speculando iustitia

 

[Anti-Sean]

It would be something like:

in speculando ius

or

in speculando iustitia

Why the future passive participle? speculor, speculatus is a deponent verb (active in meaning, passive in form), but its future passive participle is passive in both form and meaning, rendering speculando as 'about/fit/deserving to be spied'. I'd use the present participle (active in form and meaning for a deponent verb) speculans, speculantis - spying. The masc. & neuter ablative singular would thus be speculanti (since the perfect participle is a third declension noun, not second). Thus, in speculanti ius, or Jus in Speculanti to fit a bit better with its inspiration.

That having been said, lukelightning's suggestion of flavor over accuracy is an excellent one.

 

[Lord Rasputin]

Why the future passive participle? speculor, speculatus is a deponent verb (active in meaning, passive in form), but its future passive participle is passive in both form and meaning, rendering speculando as 'about/fit/deserving to be spied'. I'd use the present participle (active in form and meaning for a deponent verb) speculans, speculantis - spying. The masc. & neuter ablative singular would thus be speculanti (since the perfect participle is a third declension noun, not second). Thus, in speculanti ius, or Jus in Speculanti to fit a bit better with its inspiration.

He's using it as a gerund, which is active. You can't use the present participle like this in Latin ever -- you just wrote "Law in the thing spying right now," which makes no sense. Personally, I'd use the verbal noun, since this is an overall activity of espionage, as opposed to actually peeping where you should not, so ius in speculatu or ius in speculatione, but ius in speculando is valid Latin.

That having been said, lukelightning's suggestion of flavor over accuracy is an excellent one.

In Latin? Never. And his suggestion more resembles Spanish, which doesn't admit s+mute to start a word, unlike Latin.

 

[Draloric]

He's using it as a gerund, which is active. You can't use the present participle like this in Latin ever -- you just wrote "Law in the thing spying right now," which makes no sense. Personally, I'd use the verbal noun, since this is an overall activity of espionage, as opposed to actually peeping where you should not, so ius in speculatu or ius in speculatione, but ius in speculando is valid Latin.

Yes, a gerund was what I had intended, since I wanted to preserve the abstract nominal usage of "espionage" in the request above. Actually, I had thought about suggesting in speculatu ius, as you have done, but, while the form is appropriate, I'm not certain that a 4th-declension abstract speculatus, -us has ever been recorded. It doesn't appear in Lewis and Short, for example, nor in any of the other dictionaries I have access to here at home. Still, I don't see why the coinage wouldn't be perfectly plausible.

 

[Anti-Sean]

Ugh, those last few chapters of Wheelock's started to run together at the end; luckily there wasn't much of it on my final last month!

Sorry for the error! One of the few things worse than a pedant with a penchant for correction is one who is wrong.

mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

 

[Quartz]

I'm not sure that Speculo means spying in the sense that is required. How about ius in percipiendo which covers the learning and the seeing part?