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<blockquote data-quote="Thunderfoot" data-source="post: 5568907" data-attributes="member: 34175"><p>Olgar is dead on, but there are a couple things I can add.</p><p></p><p>Rangers - It's getting harder and harder to earn the tab without Airborne training. Something about the term Airborne Ranger that tends to make those guys get all weepy and nostalgic.</p><p></p><p>SF - It used to be that you could be a "leg SF" but after Vietnam that went the way of the dodo bird. The support ops that Olgar spoke of are your traditional service and support folks, (Quatermaster, Signal, etc.) There is an operational variant known as a SOT-A (Special Operation Team Alpha (which BTW is NOT an A-Team (different beast) that consists of 5 MI personnel, a RATTLO (Radio/Telephone/Telegraph Operator) and three green beans (a medic and two riflemen). Their job is to go deep in enemy territory and intercept. The medic is to make sure they all get back alive, the two riflemen are to dispose of the operators if they can't... (isn't being a spook fun?) As an aside, outside of CPTs, very few officers assigned to SF actual end up in operations, most of them are B-Team or C-Team (sectional Field HQ and regional Field HQ) Mostly because officers are branch immaterial. (Even the Combat Arms). Most of the SF Officers I've met are actually Psy Ops guys and Tactical Intelligence Analysts, no less sharp, just focused in different operations. [MENTION=5868]Olgar Shiverstone[/MENTION] you're an officer if IRC, can you verify this?</p><p></p><p>Delta - One very important detail that Olgar left out was that Delta is a ONE TOUR SHOW. I got recruited for Delta my last year in Army. They tell you at the briefing that any MOS can join, they train you to their needs and than after one tour, you're done. If you wish to stay on, you are required to re-class to a combat arms MOS first before you can re-join the team. Unlike SEALs, Delta wants to ensure that operatives are psychologically prepared by keeping them from attaining "god complexes" (I'm Delta and you're not!) and sending them out of the rotation keeps these guys humble (well as humble as any SOs can be I guess.) (Not that SEALs are nuts (well, you know what I mean) just that teams gain and lose new members like any other force, through re-assignments and DEROS dates) Also, it keeps teams cohesive, they start and end their cycles together, first training up, operating and then training the next batch before disbanding. (Of course that was 22 years ago, so this could have changed...)</p><p></p><p>SEALs are probably the most intensely trained of the group outside Delta. They will tell you, they train, then train again and then train some more. For example, by the time that unit hit the ground in Pakistan, they had run their target probably 50 times, even though they probably didn't know who or what they would be up against. They would have had the layout mapped at their training facility and rehearsed every step over and over again. The target was inconsequential, the operation however was drilled before they ever knew who the target was. </p><p></p><p>PJs - (Air Force Para Rescue) are often overlooked as SF forces, because unlike their counterparts, they are more operationally defensive (extraction, medical, document/equipment destruction) rather than tactically offensive. This is a sore injustice and a serious error in judgement to the offender. They can kill just as good as they can heal. Unlike a medic, they are outside the Geneva conventions "medical savior laws" (medical personnel cannot willfully harm or cause undue damage to human life and therefore can expect preferential treatment by enemy combatants. (actually that means shoot at the red crosses so there is no evidence). PJs can use mines (medics cannot), HE and Frag grenades </p><p>(medics cannot), booby traps, High Explosives and a host of other things that would make a medic cry. Of course if they are captured, they can expect to be tortured or at the very least brutally beaten and interrogated. Therefore, PJs are the finest SERE troops the US military can train. And they can usually do it while tending to and carrying a casualty. Unlike the other SOs, there are no officers in the operational mode of PJs, there are no officer medics, just doctors and they are far too valuable to put in that kind of risk. However, many of the officers in PJ units are flight surgeons and are trained in in air medicine (I wonder why?).</p><p></p><p>Special Operations Air Mobility (the name changes so often I won't even try to get it right) - these are pilots trained to get Spec Ops to and from their operations. While receiving no training that is different from their other pilot counterparts, they are, like all Spec Ops drilled over and over in the most adverse of conditions. All pilots are trained to fly at night and NOE (nap of the earth), but rarely are they trained at any length to do both simultaneously (because its dangerous) Spec Ops pilots earn their living doing just that, constantly. </p><p></p><p>Marine LRRP (Recon) has been recently acknowledged as the "7th" branch of Special Ops. Recon teams are dropped as close to are behind enemy lines to reconnoiter and report enemy movements. The only reason these guys are now considered SOs are for the rather extreme training they receive and the new reliance on eyes on target intelligence that the brass wants. I actually watched the CSPAN broadcast of the Spec Ops appropriation committee of the Senate when they were first added to the TO&E, I thought Arlen Spector was going to have a coronary when the General told him, when questioned about their inclusion, "Mr Senator, I don't ask you why you vote yourself a pay raise every year, your need to know of their operational capabilities are minimal at best and because I said so should be more than sufficient." I almost cried with glee when I saw that. As to their make up, they are Marines, only more so, any more than that is just redundant. </p><p></p><p>Hope this helps, any thing else more specific you need, just ask. If I don't know it, I'll try to dig it up for you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thunderfoot, post: 5568907, member: 34175"] Olgar is dead on, but there are a couple things I can add. Rangers - It's getting harder and harder to earn the tab without Airborne training. Something about the term Airborne Ranger that tends to make those guys get all weepy and nostalgic. SF - It used to be that you could be a "leg SF" but after Vietnam that went the way of the dodo bird. The support ops that Olgar spoke of are your traditional service and support folks, (Quatermaster, Signal, etc.) There is an operational variant known as a SOT-A (Special Operation Team Alpha (which BTW is NOT an A-Team (different beast) that consists of 5 MI personnel, a RATTLO (Radio/Telephone/Telegraph Operator) and three green beans (a medic and two riflemen). Their job is to go deep in enemy territory and intercept. The medic is to make sure they all get back alive, the two riflemen are to dispose of the operators if they can't... (isn't being a spook fun?) As an aside, outside of CPTs, very few officers assigned to SF actual end up in operations, most of them are B-Team or C-Team (sectional Field HQ and regional Field HQ) Mostly because officers are branch immaterial. (Even the Combat Arms). Most of the SF Officers I've met are actually Psy Ops guys and Tactical Intelligence Analysts, no less sharp, just focused in different operations. [MENTION=5868]Olgar Shiverstone[/MENTION] you're an officer if IRC, can you verify this? Delta - One very important detail that Olgar left out was that Delta is a ONE TOUR SHOW. I got recruited for Delta my last year in Army. They tell you at the briefing that any MOS can join, they train you to their needs and than after one tour, you're done. If you wish to stay on, you are required to re-class to a combat arms MOS first before you can re-join the team. Unlike SEALs, Delta wants to ensure that operatives are psychologically prepared by keeping them from attaining "god complexes" (I'm Delta and you're not!) and sending them out of the rotation keeps these guys humble (well as humble as any SOs can be I guess.) (Not that SEALs are nuts (well, you know what I mean) just that teams gain and lose new members like any other force, through re-assignments and DEROS dates) Also, it keeps teams cohesive, they start and end their cycles together, first training up, operating and then training the next batch before disbanding. (Of course that was 22 years ago, so this could have changed...) SEALs are probably the most intensely trained of the group outside Delta. They will tell you, they train, then train again and then train some more. For example, by the time that unit hit the ground in Pakistan, they had run their target probably 50 times, even though they probably didn't know who or what they would be up against. They would have had the layout mapped at their training facility and rehearsed every step over and over again. The target was inconsequential, the operation however was drilled before they ever knew who the target was. PJs - (Air Force Para Rescue) are often overlooked as SF forces, because unlike their counterparts, they are more operationally defensive (extraction, medical, document/equipment destruction) rather than tactically offensive. This is a sore injustice and a serious error in judgement to the offender. They can kill just as good as they can heal. Unlike a medic, they are outside the Geneva conventions "medical savior laws" (medical personnel cannot willfully harm or cause undue damage to human life and therefore can expect preferential treatment by enemy combatants. (actually that means shoot at the red crosses so there is no evidence). PJs can use mines (medics cannot), HE and Frag grenades (medics cannot), booby traps, High Explosives and a host of other things that would make a medic cry. Of course if they are captured, they can expect to be tortured or at the very least brutally beaten and interrogated. Therefore, PJs are the finest SERE troops the US military can train. And they can usually do it while tending to and carrying a casualty. Unlike the other SOs, there are no officers in the operational mode of PJs, there are no officer medics, just doctors and they are far too valuable to put in that kind of risk. However, many of the officers in PJ units are flight surgeons and are trained in in air medicine (I wonder why?). Special Operations Air Mobility (the name changes so often I won't even try to get it right) - these are pilots trained to get Spec Ops to and from their operations. While receiving no training that is different from their other pilot counterparts, they are, like all Spec Ops drilled over and over in the most adverse of conditions. All pilots are trained to fly at night and NOE (nap of the earth), but rarely are they trained at any length to do both simultaneously (because its dangerous) Spec Ops pilots earn their living doing just that, constantly. Marine LRRP (Recon) has been recently acknowledged as the "7th" branch of Special Ops. Recon teams are dropped as close to are behind enemy lines to reconnoiter and report enemy movements. The only reason these guys are now considered SOs are for the rather extreme training they receive and the new reliance on eyes on target intelligence that the brass wants. I actually watched the CSPAN broadcast of the Spec Ops appropriation committee of the Senate when they were first added to the TO&E, I thought Arlen Spector was going to have a coronary when the General told him, when questioned about their inclusion, "Mr Senator, I don't ask you why you vote yourself a pay raise every year, your need to know of their operational capabilities are minimal at best and because I said so should be more than sufficient." I almost cried with glee when I saw that. As to their make up, they are Marines, only more so, any more than that is just redundant. Hope this helps, any thing else more specific you need, just ask. If I don't know it, I'll try to dig it up for you. [/QUOTE]
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