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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cake Mage" data-source="post: 1427855" data-attributes="member: 2707">Some Socrates, sort ofWell sort of close to what your talking about.  On justice and and the nature of justice.  From The Rupblic by Plato; Gluacon's answer to what he says is the nature and orign of justice.  This is not Socrates's idea; in fact he goes on after Gluacon finishes tearing his answer apart:"What people say is that to do wrong is, in itself, a desirable thing; on the othe hand, it is not at all desirable to suffer wrong, and the harm to the sufferer outweighs the advatage to the doer.  Consequently, when men have had a taste of both, those who have not the power to seize the advatage and esacape the harm decide that they would be better offif they made a compact neither to do wrong nor to suffer it.  Hence they begin to make laws and covenants with one another; and whatever the law prescribes, they call lawful and right."  I'll end it there but of course there is much more.  So gluacon is saying that we all want to do harm to others, but since we don't like harm to come to us, we make agreements with each other to not do harm to each other and that is how civilazation started.  So if you want you can run that into one side of the argument.  And kudos to you if you can argue and take the opposite side of that point.  We haven't gotten to what Socrates says after that in Philosophy class, thats next week.  I could...read ahead and find the answer, but that requires extra effort on my part, and would need enticing.  as it is, and as you said, I'm sure you guys are intelligent enough to figure it out on your own.  I have faith in you guys! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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