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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cybertalus" data-source="post: 1428312" data-attributes="member: 4400">You need some Thoreau (who also works well for Druidic and CG/CN philosophers).  You might also look into Carl Jung.  He had a lot of interesting things to say on individualism versus collectivism.First a few Thoreau links:<a href="http://www.ecotopia.org/ehof/thoreau/extracts.html" target="_blank">http://www.ecotopia.org/ehof/thoreau/extracts.html</a><a href="http://www.psymon.com/walden/quotes.html" target="_blank">http://www.psymon.com/walden/quotes.html</a><a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Henry_David_Thoreau/" target="_blank">http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Henry_David_Thoreau/</a><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=thoreau+quotes&btnG=Google+Search" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=thoreau+quotes&btnG=Google+Search</a>Now a few quotes (all Thoreau; some from those pages, some I've collected):Most of the luxuries and many of the so-called comforts of life are not only not indispensable, but positive hindrances to the elevation of mankind.Wherever a man goes, men will pursue him and paw him with their dirty institutions, and, if they can, constrain him to belong to their desperate oddfellow society.Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.In wildness is the preservation of the world.I would not have every man, or every part of a man, cultivated, any more than I would have every acre of earth cultivated: part will be tillage, but the greater part will be meadow and forest, not only serving an immediate use, but preparing a mould against a distant future, by the annual decay of the vegetation it supports.The millions are awake enough for physical labor; but only one in a million is awake enough for effective intellectual exertion, only one in a hundred million to poetic or divine life.  To be awake is to be alive.  I have never yet met a man who was quite awake.  How could I have looked him in the face?The greatest part of what my neighbors call good I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior.  What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?Certainly no nation that lived simply in all respects, that is, no nation of philosophers, would commit so great a blunder as to use the labor of animals.  True, there never was and is not likely soon to be a nation of philosophers, nor am I certain that it is desireable that there should be.I believe in the forest, and in the meadow, and in the night in which the corn grows.A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.But I would say to my fellows, once and for all, as long as possible live free and uncommitted.  It makes but little difference whether you are committed to a farm or the county jail.The morning wind forever blows, the poem of creation is uninterrupted; but few are the ears that hear it.</blockquote>

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