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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 7853088" data-attributes="member: 6966824">Hmm... If I'm reading the ability literally, it seems to suggest that the arms are monk weapons, and they allow you to use WIS in place of STR for attacks using them, and for STR checks in general. And then it says if you attack with them you get a bonus action attack with them for free, or you could use other abilities (like Flurry of Blows) that let you make regular unarmed strikes as a bonus action (but these would still use STR).But I think if you make a grapple attempt, it wouldn't be an attack with the arms, and so it wouldn't by itself proc the bonus action attack with the arms. But once you have extra attack you could grapple once and attack once with the arms, and then qualify for the bonus action attack.I'm not seeing in the document what damage die the arms use? (This is the first I'm reading it, tbh) Is it based on your martial arts die?It's interesting to be able to grapple and punch using WIS, but since you're not a spellcaster anyway, it's not completely obvious to me why that makes you a better grappler per se than a fighter using STR, say, who uses one of their attacks to grapple. I guess maybe you can do a bit more damage, since at level 5 you can get one grapple and two attacks, vs the fighter's one grapple and one attack (assuming they don't have another way to get a bonus action attack), but the fighter isn't using resources to do it, is probably doing more damage per attack, and has higher AC... (plus bonus feats)Also, if we're including UA material and giving up on spellcasting, why not a Battlemaster with unarmed fighting style and the Restraining Strike maneuver?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Esker, post: 7853088, member: 6966824"] Hmm... If I'm reading the ability literally, it seems to suggest that the arms are monk weapons, and they allow you to use WIS in place of STR for attacks using them, and for STR checks in general. And then it says if you attack with them you get a bonus action attack with them for free, or you could use other abilities (like Flurry of Blows) that let you make regular unarmed strikes as a bonus action (but these would still use STR). But I think if you make a grapple attempt, it wouldn't be an attack with the arms, and so it wouldn't by itself proc the bonus action attack with the arms. But once you have extra attack you could grapple once and attack once with the arms, and then qualify for the bonus action attack. I'm not seeing in the document what damage die the arms use? (This is the first I'm reading it, tbh) Is it based on your martial arts die? It's interesting to be able to grapple and punch using WIS, but since you're not a spellcaster anyway, it's not completely obvious to me why that makes you a better grappler per se than a fighter using STR, say, who uses one of their attacks to grapple. I guess maybe you can do a bit more damage, since at level 5 you can get one grapple and two attacks, vs the fighter's one grapple and one attack (assuming they don't have another way to get a bonus action attack), but the fighter isn't using resources to do it, is probably doing more damage per attack, and has higher AC... (plus bonus feats) Also, if we're including UA material and giving up on spellcasting, why not a Battlemaster with unarmed fighting style and the Restraining Strike maneuver? [/QUOTE]

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