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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4001977" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>AS allows an early action and uses up the Swift Action for this turn doing so.</p><p></p><p>TA cannot be manifested with that early action BECAUSE the Swift Action for that turn is already used up. He already used it up manifesting AS. It's gone. It doesn't matter if the PC has 50 actions that he is able to do in that turn, he still cannot do another Swift or Immediate Action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, using your interpretation of Temporal Acceleration (i.e. the extra rounds of actions in TA are also extra turns) and doing TA first (AS cannot be done first as above) gives multiple turns to the PC, it still cannot be done and does nothing.</p><p></p><p>TA for multiple "rounds/turns". In round/turn one, do AS. It moves him earlier in his current TA round/turn, but does nothing. All it did is use up his Immediate Swift Action within that TA round/turn. He cannot manifest TA again because he is still within a TA (only one spell/power of a given type affect a PC at a given time).</p><p></p><p>Remember, with TA, the PC (using your multiple turns within TA interpretation) is in a world of his own turns. He can go earlier in his own turns with AS, but he cannot do TA within TA.</p><p></p><p></p><p>All in all, this combo cannot be done.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only thing AS does is allow a PC (or NPC) to act early, but it uses up a Immediate/Swift action doing so which prevents another one until after the PC's next normal turn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AS does NOT give another round of actions. It merely allows the current round of actions to go earlier in the initiative.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>AS then goes on to explicitly state that the manifester can use a standard and move action, or a full round action. Nowhere does it state that it resets the Swift/Immediate action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4001977, member: 2011"] AS allows an early action and uses up the Swift Action for this turn doing so. TA cannot be manifested with that early action BECAUSE the Swift Action for that turn is already used up. He already used it up manifesting AS. It's gone. It doesn't matter if the PC has 50 actions that he is able to do in that turn, he still cannot do another Swift or Immediate Action. Now, using your interpretation of Temporal Acceleration (i.e. the extra rounds of actions in TA are also extra turns) and doing TA first (AS cannot be done first as above) gives multiple turns to the PC, it still cannot be done and does nothing. TA for multiple "rounds/turns". In round/turn one, do AS. It moves him earlier in his current TA round/turn, but does nothing. All it did is use up his Immediate Swift Action within that TA round/turn. He cannot manifest TA again because he is still within a TA (only one spell/power of a given type affect a PC at a given time). Remember, with TA, the PC (using your multiple turns within TA interpretation) is in a world of his own turns. He can go earlier in his own turns with AS, but he cannot do TA within TA. All in all, this combo cannot be done. The only thing AS does is allow a PC (or NPC) to act early, but it uses up a Immediate/Swift action doing so which prevents another one until after the PC's next normal turn. AS does NOT give another round of actions. It merely allows the current round of actions to go earlier in the initiative. AS then goes on to explicitly state that the manifester can use a standard and move action, or a full round action. Nowhere does it state that it resets the Swift/Immediate action. [/QUOTE]
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