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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 938106" data-attributes="member: 876">Spunky, you seem to have hit upon an interesting problem with the current ruleset. In this example, I personally don't think that the ability scores make much difference; the main difference is the 440,000 gp of gear that each PC would have compared to the NPCs near-nothing. (Perhaps the PCs are each dual-wielding +5 giant-bane thundering shocking greatswords, something like that.) One might ask if the 440,000 gp is worth the +10 challenge per figure, because that seems to be the balancing factor. Or, one could ask if the SS rules (I don't know) dictate using the ECL for challenge and XP analysis.For me, I don't have FRCS or Savage Species, so I always turn back to the monster rules in the core books (DMG p. 22-24) which actually sound more balanced from what I hear of the others (even though everyone else prefers the revised rules). From what I see on DMG p. 22, ECL would only be used for when PC-monsters-can-enter the game. After that point, from DMG p. 24 ("Experience for Monsters"), the ECL would not be used to calculate the character level, rather it would be HD + class levels. In your example, the PCs would be judged at character level 14 each and would get XP for this encounter.Note that under DMG rules the PCs would not get additional equipment for their monster levels (DMG p. 24, paragraph 3). It, too, has problems because this alleged EL 14 encounter versus level 14 characters would be highly deadly and not a "standard challenge" that EL = average character level should be, but at least it's another option to think about.</blockquote>

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