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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 1928496" data-attributes="member: 1190"><p>I love this statement: just because there are other contradictions in the rules does not mean that every contradiction was intentional or that any of them ae valid bases for rules justifications.</p><p></p><p>I cannot help but notice that your response did not actually address any of the arguments that I'd made. Skipping to my conclusion and restating your own case is not a rebuttal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are confusing targeting and effect. </p><p></p><p>Could I cast Blur on a duplicate? No. It is a figment and thus I cannot touch it. Plus it is a spell effect and not a creature. On this you are 100% correct. But, the overlap of Blur and Mirror Image does not require Blur to be cast upon the images.</p><p></p><p>The target of the Blur spell is the creature touched. The effect of Blur is to make the target blurry looking. The target of Mirror Image is the caster. Its effect is to create duplicates of the caster.</p><p></p><p>By your line of reasoning, light, darkness, and daylight should not provide light (or shadow) to anything but the object upon which they are cast because the target of each of those spells is "Object touched." Of course they do provide their benefits because the effect of the spell is different from the target. </p><p></p><p>Light produces an area of illumination</p><p>Bless Water produces holy water (how can it hurt undead...the spell only affects water?)</p><p>Blur produces a change in appearance (which has a defined affect according to the spell description).</p><p>Mirror image produces illusory duplicates</p><p>All of these have effects that extend beyond their targets.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't object to the idea of other rulings. I object to spurious logic to justify them. As I have shown above, target and effect are entirely different. No one so far has show that the Mirror Images would not look blurred, nor have they shown that the concealment effect is anything other than a direct result of a sensory change on the target caused by the blurred appearance. Thus, concealment on the images.</p><p></p><p>And please address the see invisibility/invisibility/mirror image issue as well.</p><p></p><p>DC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 1928496, member: 1190"] I love this statement: just because there are other contradictions in the rules does not mean that every contradiction was intentional or that any of them ae valid bases for rules justifications. I cannot help but notice that your response did not actually address any of the arguments that I'd made. Skipping to my conclusion and restating your own case is not a rebuttal. You are confusing targeting and effect. Could I cast Blur on a duplicate? No. It is a figment and thus I cannot touch it. Plus it is a spell effect and not a creature. On this you are 100% correct. But, the overlap of Blur and Mirror Image does not require Blur to be cast upon the images. The target of the Blur spell is the creature touched. The effect of Blur is to make the target blurry looking. The target of Mirror Image is the caster. Its effect is to create duplicates of the caster. By your line of reasoning, light, darkness, and daylight should not provide light (or shadow) to anything but the object upon which they are cast because the target of each of those spells is "Object touched." Of course they do provide their benefits because the effect of the spell is different from the target. Light produces an area of illumination Bless Water produces holy water (how can it hurt undead...the spell only affects water?) Blur produces a change in appearance (which has a defined affect according to the spell description). Mirror image produces illusory duplicates All of these have effects that extend beyond their targets. I don't object to the idea of other rulings. I object to spurious logic to justify them. As I have shown above, target and effect are entirely different. No one so far has show that the Mirror Images would not look blurred, nor have they shown that the concealment effect is anything other than a direct result of a sensory change on the target caused by the blurred appearance. Thus, concealment on the images. And please address the see invisibility/invisibility/mirror image issue as well. DC [/QUOTE]
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