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<blockquote data-quote="KDLadage" data-source="post: 1064266" data-attributes="member: 88">COUGH*GURPS*COUGHSure... but this is not the case here, either, and after 10-years of accumulated cruft, I have argued against this sort of thing in that system as well. For example, how do you handle a shape-shifter in GURPS? Do we look at the rules in GURPS BESTIARY (3rd edition)? How about the completely different rules in GURPS FANTASY/MAGIC? Perhaps those rules presented in GURPS WEREWOLF would suffice? Or maybe you are partial to the variation on the fantasy/magic rules used in GURPS SUPERS? Or, you could throw all of those out and try for GURPS SHAPESHIFTERS?I am not so delusional as to think this is a d20 problem...Sure.OK... let us look at this another way:What was so compelling about one way of handling the &quot;save&quot; for stabalization that d20 Modern tried it a new way -- and modeled it after d20 Star Wars? If it was so compelling, why was it not adapted for d20 Fantasy (a.k.a: Dungeons and Dragons)?I am not so upset about the idea of variation in degree, but variation in mechanic makes no sense unless it is something that must be made to keep a genre/setting feeling correct. And I see nothing in d20 Modern that would suggest to me that they are so different that this particular rule needed to be changes to a new mechanic in one and not the other.And this is largely my opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KDLadage, post: 1064266, member: 88"] COUGH*GURPS*COUGH Sure... but this is not the case here, either, and after 10-years of accumulated cruft, I have argued against this sort of thing in that system as well. For example, how do you handle a shape-shifter in GURPS? Do we look at the rules in GURPS BESTIARY (3rd edition)? How about the completely different rules in GURPS FANTASY/MAGIC? Perhaps those rules presented in GURPS WEREWOLF would suffice? Or maybe you are partial to the variation on the fantasy/magic rules used in GURPS SUPERS? Or, you could throw all of those out and try for GURPS SHAPESHIFTERS? I am not so delusional as to think this is a d20 problem... Sure. OK... let us look at this another way: What was so compelling about one way of handling the "save" for stabalization that d20 Modern tried it a new way -- and modeled it after d20 Star Wars? If it was so compelling, why was it not adapted for d20 Fantasy (a.k.a: Dungeons and Dragons)? I am not so upset about the idea of variation in degree, but variation in mechanic makes no sense unless it is something that must be made to keep a genre/setting feeling correct. And I see nothing in d20 Modern that would suggest to me that they are so different that this particular rule needed to be changes to a new mechanic in one and not the other. And this is largely my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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