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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4706763" data-attributes="member: 29252">You're forgetting something:You gave him a -2 LA.So that's a 3rd level Gnoblar Rogue vs. a standard 1st level Human Rogue.&nbsp; The Gnoblar's got more HP (pretty much any way you slice it - even taking Frail), +2 BAB, +2 Size to attack and (with a Light Crossbow) +2 Dex to attack, an additional 1d6 sneak attack, and is tied for feats with the human (1st and 3rd for the Gnoblar, 1st and human bonus for the human).&nbsp; Granted, sneak-attack immune stuff bites (hard) for this build, but it's very viable, and ends up with enough Hide bonuses that if it focuses on that it can fairly reasonably expect to be effectively invisible (capable of Sniping effectively) in terrain that permits hiding.Yes, the Gnoblar Rogue has less skill points to play around with than the human rogue.&nbsp; Hence why I called him a good Specialist Rogue.&nbsp; But you can break the race this way - by playing to it's strengths.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 4706763, member: 29252"] You're forgetting something: You gave him a -2 LA. So that's a 3rd level Gnoblar Rogue vs. a standard 1st level Human Rogue. The Gnoblar's got more HP (pretty much any way you slice it - even taking Frail), +2 BAB, +2 Size to attack and (with a Light Crossbow) +2 Dex to attack, an additional 1d6 sneak attack, and is tied for feats with the human (1st and 3rd for the Gnoblar, 1st and human bonus for the human). Granted, sneak-attack immune stuff bites (hard) for this build, but it's very viable, and ends up with enough Hide bonuses that if it focuses on that it can fairly reasonably expect to be effectively invisible (capable of Sniping effectively) in terrain that permits hiding. Yes, the Gnoblar Rogue has less skill points to play around with than the human rogue. Hence why I called him a good Specialist Rogue. But you can break the race this way - by playing to it's strengths. [/QUOTE]

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