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<blockquote data-quote="Quickbeam" data-source="post: 19377" data-attributes="member: 635">Cheiromancer &amp; UofMDude:I understand that a 6th level character who receives a negative level is not truly 5th level, unless they fail their save 24 hours later and the effects become permanent.&nbsp; And perhaps my answer was worded poorly, but Hypersmurf makes my case more clearly.&nbsp; In the case described above, at the time of death the PC in question IS actually 5th level (even if only due to a negative level effect), and is not permitted a save to restore the lost level -- they're dead <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> .&nbsp; I did not realize Monte had discussed this previously, but that would have been my ruling as stated above.&nbsp; Thus, the raise/rez reduces the PC to 4th level upon their return from the grave.As for being not worth the effort without a True Rez, I'm not arguing, especially if more than one negative energy level were in place at the time of death.&nbsp; Nonetheless, them's the rules...unless you see fit to minimize the penalty since dying in general is bad enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickbeam, post: 19377, member: 635"] Cheiromancer & UofMDude: I understand that a 6th level character who receives a negative level is not truly 5th level, unless they fail their save 24 hours later and the effects become permanent. And perhaps my answer was worded poorly, but Hypersmurf makes my case more clearly. In the case described above, at the time of death the PC in question IS actually 5th level (even if only due to a negative level effect), and is not permitted a save to restore the lost level -- they're dead ;) . I did not realize Monte had discussed this previously, but that would have been my ruling as stated above. Thus, the raise/rez reduces the PC to 4th level upon their return from the grave. As for being not worth the effort without a True Rez, I'm not arguing, especially if more than one negative energy level were in place at the time of death. Nonetheless, them's the rules...unless you see fit to minimize the penalty since dying in general is bad enough. [/QUOTE]

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