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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7528045" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>OK, I get that, I suppose. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But that's the thing. It is the 5e Ravenloft source book. Some of us prefer it, some of us hate the changes, some in between (I prefer some changes, but find Strahd less interesting in this version), but it is a Ravenloft campaign setting source, regardless. And for Ravenloft fans who <em>do</em> play with new players, it <em>sucks</em> that those new players will expect CoS when they get a chance to play a Ravenloft game. </p><p></p><p>Yes, you can just use your old books. Sure. That doesn't make it magically not suck that the whole setting got overhauled in a way that fundamentally changed what it is. (although some old schoolers prefer the new one bc they feel it's more true to the OG adventure, and consider the old setting books as a departure, for what it's worth). </p><p></p><p>Just like if they put out a Dragonlance adventure that has the twins die heroically in the War of The Lance, it would suck tremendously for people who want to run post-War/Legends era DL games, using the old lore, because any new group they could find would have strong attachments to the new canon, or wouldn't really care but would still be confused by the different canon. </p><p></p><p>I don't think it's unreasonable to say that if they are going to put out story or game products (and yeah, a stream game is a story product, just like a book or cartoon) that use a setting, it shouldn't change the basic nature of the setting. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is why they probably won't put out whole lines of new setting books, unless it's for a brand new setting, or one that almost no one will have books for, like Mystara. Eberron has been supported well in the last two editions, so it's genuinely fair to expect that most existing fans for it will have the old books, and to recognize that it's always mostly been the primary setting books that actually sold well. </p><p>OTOH, there are millions of new players, and people still actually prefer print books, and most newer gamers I've met don't know that drivethrurpg exists, much less that they can get out of print game books printed on demand there. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you'll accept some constructive criticism, perhaps frame your response to someone doing what you once did as you have here, rather than how you did at the start of this argument with Charlequin. </p><p></p><p>They aren't wrong, they're just doing something that you've found to not be worth the stress. Those are two different things, and should be responded to differently, right?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7528045, member: 6704184"] OK, I get that, I suppose. But that's the thing. It is the 5e Ravenloft source book. Some of us prefer it, some of us hate the changes, some in between (I prefer some changes, but find Strahd less interesting in this version), but it is a Ravenloft campaign setting source, regardless. And for Ravenloft fans who [I]do[/I] play with new players, it [I]sucks[/I] that those new players will expect CoS when they get a chance to play a Ravenloft game. Yes, you can just use your old books. Sure. That doesn't make it magically not suck that the whole setting got overhauled in a way that fundamentally changed what it is. (although some old schoolers prefer the new one bc they feel it's more true to the OG adventure, and consider the old setting books as a departure, for what it's worth). Just like if they put out a Dragonlance adventure that has the twins die heroically in the War of The Lance, it would suck tremendously for people who want to run post-War/Legends era DL games, using the old lore, because any new group they could find would have strong attachments to the new canon, or wouldn't really care but would still be confused by the different canon. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that if they are going to put out story or game products (and yeah, a stream game is a story product, just like a book or cartoon) that use a setting, it shouldn't change the basic nature of the setting. Which is why they probably won't put out whole lines of new setting books, unless it's for a brand new setting, or one that almost no one will have books for, like Mystara. Eberron has been supported well in the last two editions, so it's genuinely fair to expect that most existing fans for it will have the old books, and to recognize that it's always mostly been the primary setting books that actually sold well. OTOH, there are millions of new players, and people still actually prefer print books, and most newer gamers I've met don't know that drivethrurpg exists, much less that they can get out of print game books printed on demand there. If you'll accept some constructive criticism, perhaps frame your response to someone doing what you once did as you have here, rather than how you did at the start of this argument with Charlequin. They aren't wrong, they're just doing something that you've found to not be worth the stress. Those are two different things, and should be responded to differently, right? [/QUOTE]
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