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<blockquote data-quote="Hatmatter" data-source="post: 9405736" data-attributes="member: 75077"><p>I think you are entirely correct. I agree. It is the reason I ended up having to quote from the fans outside of the Royal Albert Hall in London (from <em>Eat the Document</em>) in order to provide evidence. An earlier version of the article had the quotations from <em>Festival</em> trying to do that work but, in the end, they simply did not because they did not address the point I was making. The article might be stronger if I cut out the references to <em>Festival</em>, and perhaps cut out everything having to do with Dylan and simply deal with the role-playing game community at the beginning. In the end, <em>Festival</em> was my entrance point and I decided to preserve that even if it means obfuscation through an abundance of imprecise examples. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough. I like your thinking. </p><p></p><p>I would add the caveat that I am not sure that Dylan taking the stage with the Butterfield Blues band needed to be perceived as an "eff the queen" type moment. Those players were present because they were already part of the bill. Also, Howlin' Wolf had performed with a band, and at times Muddy Waters performed with a band at Newport. I think Newport becomes an adequate test case as a moment when unreasonable expectations escalated to the point where the anger that was released was (in good part) an example of people raging against their own confounded expectations.</p><p></p><p>For sure!</p><p></p><p>This has me thinking that I should clarify what I mean by "nerd rage" (an expression I was never happy with) and some other form (or forms) of outrage, for example: "productive rage." I didn't mean to suggest that every expression reacting to injustice is impotent. I do not believe that at all. Moral crises require moral responses. Perhaps outrage is not always the best response, but I did not mean to suggest that outrage to social injustice is inappropriate by any means.</p><p></p><p>You have me intrigued, Payn. If you have the interest and energy, if you could elaborate on how you see the creator-critic-consumer triad relating to the effort to move the iceberg? No obligation of course, but I find the observation interesting and would like to hear more. </p><p></p><p>Cheers, mate!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hatmatter, post: 9405736, member: 75077"] I think you are entirely correct. I agree. It is the reason I ended up having to quote from the fans outside of the Royal Albert Hall in London (from [I]Eat the Document[/I]) in order to provide evidence. An earlier version of the article had the quotations from [I]Festival[/I] trying to do that work but, in the end, they simply did not because they did not address the point I was making. The article might be stronger if I cut out the references to [I]Festival[/I], and perhaps cut out everything having to do with Dylan and simply deal with the role-playing game community at the beginning. In the end, [I]Festival[/I] was my entrance point and I decided to preserve that even if it means obfuscation through an abundance of imprecise examples. Fair enough. I like your thinking. I would add the caveat that I am not sure that Dylan taking the stage with the Butterfield Blues band needed to be perceived as an "eff the queen" type moment. Those players were present because they were already part of the bill. Also, Howlin' Wolf had performed with a band, and at times Muddy Waters performed with a band at Newport. I think Newport becomes an adequate test case as a moment when unreasonable expectations escalated to the point where the anger that was released was (in good part) an example of people raging against their own confounded expectations. For sure! This has me thinking that I should clarify what I mean by "nerd rage" (an expression I was never happy with) and some other form (or forms) of outrage, for example: "productive rage." I didn't mean to suggest that every expression reacting to injustice is impotent. I do not believe that at all. Moral crises require moral responses. Perhaps outrage is not always the best response, but I did not mean to suggest that outrage to social injustice is inappropriate by any means. You have me intrigued, Payn. If you have the interest and energy, if you could elaborate on how you see the creator-critic-consumer triad relating to the effort to move the iceberg? No obligation of course, but I find the observation interesting and would like to hear more. Cheers, mate! [/QUOTE]
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