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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9234422" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>My general rule is that anyone claiming to have insider information that they do not back up fall under the Sturgeon's revelation of 90%+ of everything is junk. </p><p></p><p>There is always an issue with satire. If the audience misinterprets it, is it because they are being dense, or because the satirist failed to effectively communicate the satire (and us generally living in a world where then intended satire really could be someone's genuinely held positions/deliberate falsehoods). </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It seems every content aggregators site in the last decade or so has articles about times people didn't catch satire, and feature a section on The Beastie Boys "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party)" and how ridiculous it was that 1986 teen or frat boys or whatnot didn't realize the song was a goof on them. This always bothers me because, well, what did the average 1986 teen or frat boy know about the Beastie Boys (who kinda <em>were</em> the booze & party types depicted in the song right up until <em>Licensed to Ill</em>) that would suggest to them that the song wasn't being sung earnestly?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Likewise general topic forums like Reddit/Quora tends to have a thread about people not catching satire, and someone always brings up people not realizing that <em>Starship Troopers</em> was satire. My reaction is always generally 'what about the satire was subtle, Doggie Howser in a nazi uniform or ending like a WWII promotional news real; and my gut instinct that there's really only a handful of people who didn't catch it, that the forum posters are overinterpreting the prevalence of because they want their having gotten it to be rare and exemplary. However, on further reflection I realized that a lot of people first saw (possibly only ever saw) the movie as a teen/possibly younger (particularly a nudity-edited version on TBS for years after the initial release) and maybe not catching the satire did happen, and was a result of the specific context of the experience.</li> </ul><p>The former is likely what you experienced (assuming you are talking about forum posts where the satire was not caught) because who knows if this random forum participant is making a joke or really believes/advocates something outlandish? This YouTuber seems to have hit the latter -- people who viewed it on a desktop saw the comments and caught on to the satirical quality*, while those watching on phones or whatnot** did not have access to the information that would tell them that it was intended as a joke (as opposed to someone pretending to have early access to D&D2024 information, which is sadly quite believable to anyone familiar with Youtube gaming nontent-producers). </p><p><span style="color: rgb(209, 213, 216)">*plus those who knew this youtuber and know their actual capabilities/humor style</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(209, 213, 216)">**and maybe had the video show up on their feed without context</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 9234422, member: 6799660"] My general rule is that anyone claiming to have insider information that they do not back up fall under the Sturgeon's revelation of 90%+ of everything is junk. There is always an issue with satire. If the audience misinterprets it, is it because they are being dense, or because the satirist failed to effectively communicate the satire (and us generally living in a world where then intended satire really could be someone's genuinely held positions/deliberate falsehoods). [LIST] [*]It seems every content aggregators site in the last decade or so has articles about times people didn't catch satire, and feature a section on The Beastie Boys "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party)" and how ridiculous it was that 1986 teen or frat boys or whatnot didn't realize the song was a goof on them. This always bothers me because, well, what did the average 1986 teen or frat boy know about the Beastie Boys (who kinda [I]were[/I] the booze & party types depicted in the song right up until [I]Licensed to Ill[/I]) that would suggest to them that the song wasn't being sung earnestly? [*]Likewise general topic forums like Reddit/Quora tends to have a thread about people not catching satire, and someone always brings up people not realizing that [I]Starship Troopers[/I] was satire. My reaction is always generally 'what about the satire was subtle, Doggie Howser in a nazi uniform or ending like a WWII promotional news real; and my gut instinct that there's really only a handful of people who didn't catch it, that the forum posters are overinterpreting the prevalence of because they want their having gotten it to be rare and exemplary. However, on further reflection I realized that a lot of people first saw (possibly only ever saw) the movie as a teen/possibly younger (particularly a nudity-edited version on TBS for years after the initial release) and maybe not catching the satire did happen, and was a result of the specific context of the experience. [/LIST] The former is likely what you experienced (assuming you are talking about forum posts where the satire was not caught) because who knows if this random forum participant is making a joke or really believes/advocates something outlandish? This YouTuber seems to have hit the latter -- people who viewed it on a desktop saw the comments and caught on to the satirical quality*, while those watching on phones or whatnot** did not have access to the information that would tell them that it was intended as a joke (as opposed to someone pretending to have early access to D&D2024 information, which is sadly quite believable to anyone familiar with Youtube gaming nontent-producers). [COLOR=rgb(209, 213, 216)]*plus those who knew this youtuber and know their actual capabilities/humor style **and maybe had the video show up on their feed without context[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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