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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9243157" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>That is not what it says.</p><p></p><p>It says alter this as needed, NOT whatever you want. And the context is clearly ONLY as needed.</p><p></p><p>To give you an IRL example:</p><p></p><p>Whether I like it or not a police officer in my home town can use his firearm and employ lethal force to prevent injury or loss of life "as needed". Police can not use his firearm "whenever they want". Do you not understand the difference?</p><p></p><p>"As needed" means only change this if you need to. "Whatever you want" would mean change this if you don't like it or think there is a better way to do it. It is not only the wording, but the entire context of the introduction on page 9 shows his position is clearly the former.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all you are taking this out of context.</p><p></p><p>But even so. Even if this is what he was saying, "need" is different than "want" even in the context you are using it. Wanting to change a rule is not the same as "needing" to change a rule.</p><p></p><p>So saying a rule "needs" to be changed is NOT the same as saying it is "optional" or you can "change any rule you want". Even if you purposely twist what he was saying there, the DM woudl still NEED that change, not just want it. Because you can want something changed without it "needing" to be changed.</p><p></p><p>But as I said you are purposely twisting that paragraph to start with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You did not post a quote telling the DM to change <em>"what he wants"</em>, but I will stand by and wait if you want to provide one.</p><p></p><p>I am also still waiting for something from Gygax in 1E stating DMs can alter "whatever they wanted" in the rules. I need something either with those words explicitly or something in context that meant essentially the same thing.</p><p></p><p>I will leave you again with a word-for-word quote since you seem intent on ignoring it:</p><p></p><p><em>"And<u> there are no optionals</u> for the major systems of Advanced D&D (for uniformity of rules and procedures game-to-game, campaign-to-campaign is stressed)"</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9243157, member: 7030563"] That is not what it says. It says alter this as needed, NOT whatever you want. And the context is clearly ONLY as needed. To give you an IRL example: Whether I like it or not a police officer in my home town can use his firearm and employ lethal force to prevent injury or loss of life "as needed". Police can not use his firearm "whenever they want". Do you not understand the difference? "As needed" means only change this if you need to. "Whatever you want" would mean change this if you don't like it or think there is a better way to do it. It is not only the wording, but the entire context of the introduction on page 9 shows his position is clearly the former. First of all you are taking this out of context. But even so. Even if this is what he was saying, "need" is different than "want" even in the context you are using it. Wanting to change a rule is not the same as "needing" to change a rule. So saying a rule "needs" to be changed is NOT the same as saying it is "optional" or you can "change any rule you want". Even if you purposely twist what he was saying there, the DM woudl still NEED that change, not just want it. Because you can want something changed without it "needing" to be changed. But as I said you are purposely twisting that paragraph to start with. You did not post a quote telling the DM to change [I]"what he wants"[/I], but I will stand by and wait if you want to provide one. I am also still waiting for something from Gygax in 1E stating DMs can alter "whatever they wanted" in the rules. I need something either with those words explicitly or something in context that meant essentially the same thing. I will leave you again with a word-for-word quote since you seem intent on ignoring it: [I]"And[U] there are no optionals[/U] for the major systems of Advanced D&D (for uniformity of rules and procedures game-to-game, campaign-to-campaign is stressed)"[/I] [/QUOTE]
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