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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8083535" data-attributes="member: 22779">@Man in a Funny Hat made a number of excellent points, but, I'd also like to address the XP thing as well.&nbsp; Yes, at 1st to, IIRC, 4th or maybe 5th, MU's needed a lot of XP.&nbsp; Then ZOOM, they just rocket up levels.&nbsp; To the point where they are generally one level ahead of fighters until 14th level.&nbsp; It was a wonky progression.But, I'm frankly baffled why all these MU's get into melee combat.&nbsp;&nbsp; Didn't you guys plug up the front line with a couple of fighters and a cleric?&nbsp; Poof, no one can reach the MU and you cannot fire through melee easily.&nbsp; It was ridiculously easy, most of the time, for the MU to stay out of combat.And, of course, I notice that this discussion has completely ignored magic items.&nbsp; Let's not forget our 100 charge wands of fireballs or magic missile.&nbsp; Those can't be interupted.&nbsp; If we're talking a double digit level MU, he's likely picked up half a dozen wands, a staff and possibly a rod or two.&nbsp; It's not like anyone else in the group can use them.&nbsp; And with the gobs of charges that AD&amp;D wands had, it's not like you'd ever run out either.&nbsp; Who else in the group did you give the Bracers of Defense to?&nbsp; And the ring of protection?&nbsp; We drilled our MU's AC into the stratosphere as fast as we could.&nbsp; Which also tended to mean that the MU had insane bonuses to saving throws as well - effectively saving on 2's and 3's by the time we hit double digit play.&nbsp; And, this also ignores the fact that a lot of AD&amp;D spells had insane durations.&nbsp; Charm person could last for WEEKS.&nbsp; Protection from Evil BLOCKED all physical attacks from extra-planar creatures.&nbsp; Stoneskin (Unearthed Arcana) lasted until you had taken X number of attacks and blocked all physical damage until then.&nbsp; It's not like MU's were helpless here.&nbsp; Let's not oversell things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8083535, member: 22779"] @Man in a Funny Hat made a number of excellent points, but, I'd also like to address the XP thing as well. Yes, at 1st to, IIRC, 4th or maybe 5th, MU's needed a lot of XP. Then ZOOM, they just rocket up levels. To the point where they are generally one level ahead of fighters until 14th level. It was a wonky progression. But, I'm frankly baffled why all these MU's get into melee combat. Didn't you guys plug up the front line with a couple of fighters and a cleric? Poof, no one can reach the MU and you cannot fire through melee easily. It was ridiculously easy, most of the time, for the MU to stay out of combat. And, of course, I notice that this discussion has completely ignored magic items. Let's not forget our 100 charge wands of fireballs or magic missile. Those can't be interupted. If we're talking a double digit level MU, he's likely picked up half a dozen wands, a staff and possibly a rod or two. It's not like anyone else in the group can use them. And with the gobs of charges that AD&D wands had, it's not like you'd ever run out either. Who else in the group did you give the Bracers of Defense to? And the ring of protection? We drilled our MU's AC into the stratosphere as fast as we could. Which also tended to mean that the MU had insane bonuses to saving throws as well - effectively saving on 2's and 3's by the time we hit double digit play. And, this also ignores the fact that a lot of AD&D spells had insane durations. Charm person could last for WEEKS. Protection from Evil BLOCKED all physical attacks from extra-planar creatures. Stoneskin (Unearthed Arcana) lasted until you had taken X number of attacks and blocked all physical damage until then. It's not like MU's were helpless here. Let's not oversell things. [/QUOTE]

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