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Nerfing Wizards the Old Fashioned Way: Magic User in 1e
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8083620" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>This is exactly correct. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is in the last sentence of the OP:</p><p></p><p><em>People played AD&D (1e) in a variety of fashions. Not everyone played the same. Some people played Monty Haul campaigns or campaigns that easily allowed MUs to bypass restrictions. Others ignored all combat rules related to spellcasting. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to play, and there was a lot less reliance on the RAW then there is now. <u>This is simply an observation that while MUs could be pretty awesome, they had a lot of drawbacks that we need to remember and consider that were baked into the ruleset</u>. </em></p><p></p><p>Mirroring the beginning:</p><p><em><u>I had been thinking, for the last week, of doing a deep dive into the restrictions that ye olde spellcasters in 1e faced</u> ... But given the number of times that you see people, IMO, incorrectly assert that Magic Users (in today's parlance, Wizards) were always predominant in D&D, even in 1e, <u>I thought I'd do an overview into the many ways that the magic users were underpowered in many ways back in 1e</u>, especially compared to today (and even moreso compared to 3e).</em></p><p></p><p>Sometimes, you just want to discuss 1e.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, I cannot see the post(s) that drove your response; life is too short. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8083620, member: 7023840"] This is exactly correct. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is in the last sentence of the OP: [I]People played AD&D (1e) in a variety of fashions. Not everyone played the same. Some people played Monty Haul campaigns or campaigns that easily allowed MUs to bypass restrictions. Others ignored all combat rules related to spellcasting. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to play, and there was a lot less reliance on the RAW then there is now. [U]This is simply an observation that while MUs could be pretty awesome, they had a lot of drawbacks that we need to remember and consider that were baked into the ruleset[/U]. [/I] Mirroring the beginning: [I][U]I had been thinking, for the last week, of doing a deep dive into the restrictions that ye olde spellcasters in 1e faced[/U] ... But given the number of times that you see people, IMO, incorrectly assert that Magic Users (in today's parlance, Wizards) were always predominant in D&D, even in 1e, [U]I thought I'd do an overview into the many ways that the magic users were underpowered in many ways back in 1e[/U], especially compared to today (and even moreso compared to 3e).[/I] Sometimes, you just want to discuss 1e. Fortunately, I cannot see the post(s) that drove your response; life is too short. :) [/QUOTE]
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