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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8083673" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Me neither. But you'd be surprised as how many DMs tables were ignoring or simply did not apply them. And, again, it was leading to all kind of abuses.</p><p></p><p>But I don't want limitations. I want to play my class/character/race without limitations!</p><p>It is by the ignoring of the rules and limitations that a lot of misconceptions came about. Stat requirements were also a great offender.</p><p>I want to play a paly but I need 17 charisma... Give me the paly... Removing or allowing a stat adjustement to make paladin more common led to the Lawful Stupid in an attempt to "restrain" people from making too many paladins... With the stat adjustement, no need to restrain them through the lawful stupid as they were rare enough as they were. Today's paladin are no longer fixed in alignment and no longer represent the epitome of knighthood as they did back in 1ed.</p><p></p><p>Same goes with MU. Their spell allotement was so strong and their potential to boost other was so great that the only limiting factor was the limitations on casting and their low hp. When 3rd edition removed these, it led to the CODZILA of 3.xed and directly to the nerf of casters in 5ed through the concentration mecanic (no more zounds of boosting spells stacking on the characters) and the removal/modification of summon spells (that were so abused with casters in 3.xed). The great idea of touch attack was removed as the abuses of ranged touch attacks were so vehemently shown with the CODZILA that even I, is quite happy to see that idea going down the drain.</p><p></p><p>Each time a limitation is removed/ignored, it allows for abuses. It was true in 1ed. It is still in 5ed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8083673, member: 6855114"] Me neither. But you'd be surprised as how many DMs tables were ignoring or simply did not apply them. And, again, it was leading to all kind of abuses. But I don't want limitations. I want to play my class/character/race without limitations! It is by the ignoring of the rules and limitations that a lot of misconceptions came about. Stat requirements were also a great offender. I want to play a paly but I need 17 charisma... Give me the paly... Removing or allowing a stat adjustement to make paladin more common led to the Lawful Stupid in an attempt to "restrain" people from making too many paladins... With the stat adjustement, no need to restrain them through the lawful stupid as they were rare enough as they were. Today's paladin are no longer fixed in alignment and no longer represent the epitome of knighthood as they did back in 1ed. Same goes with MU. Their spell allotement was so strong and their potential to boost other was so great that the only limiting factor was the limitations on casting and their low hp. When 3rd edition removed these, it led to the CODZILA of 3.xed and directly to the nerf of casters in 5ed through the concentration mecanic (no more zounds of boosting spells stacking on the characters) and the removal/modification of summon spells (that were so abused with casters in 3.xed). The great idea of touch attack was removed as the abuses of ranged touch attacks were so vehemently shown with the CODZILA that even I, is quite happy to see that idea going down the drain. Each time a limitation is removed/ignored, it allows for abuses. It was true in 1ed. It is still in 5ed. [/QUOTE]
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