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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 9808900" data-attributes="member: 6092">Even if you accept the 1E DMG of 2000 years max for an elf, Netheril lasted much longer.  No natural elf could have seen all of it. Can I ask where this optimism comes from?  That elves all live to the max potential age, perfectly remember everything AND write it down?  And share it with others?  Forgotten Realms fandom site, which is well researched, has FR elves at 750 years on average.  (<a href="https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Elf" target="_blank">Elf</a>) Personally, that max age is too high for me.  I think I capped elves at 500 max, 225 average.  Dwarves are 350 max, 150 average.  Gnomes, halflings, and half-elves are the same as human. As a point of contention, if elves can remember things perfectly and from other elves, if you are accepting MToF, then why would they need to write anything down?  If the ones that experience it tell others how it happened, from their perfect memory, there is no need for writing.  That would be interesting, that elves don't have writing and everything is an oral tradition!  They scorn humans for needing to write things down! My understanding is that Candlekeep isn't a typical library, to go borrow the book or read it there.  It's for the rich or collectors who can hand over a volume that Candlekeep doesn't have or pay an entrance fee.  (<a href="https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Candlekeep" target="_blank">Candlekeep</a>)  That says you need a letter of recommendation AND a unique tome worth at least 1000gp.  It later says that as of 1494 DR, it has relaxed and anything it doesn't have might be accepted.  That's quite the change.  I agree Candlekeep probably has extensive information on Netheril.  I don't think many have read it or know it's there. It would seem the Netherese only had the full set of Nether Scrolls for 400 years, which was still long enough to create their empire that lasted another 3000 years.  From that point forward, it seems no one has allowed the Nether Scrolls to come together.  Probably a good idea. While the Nether Scrolls have all of the theories of magic laid out in them (and item creation, and the planes, and artifacts, etc.), there really doesn't seem to be anything useful in a game about them, as I have seen them described.  It's like they are the encyclopedia set of magic.  That information is already out there by current day FR, grey boxed set to current.  The wizard class, and its sub classes, are the sum total of what the Nether Scrolls gave to the world.  What might be interesting is if the Nether Scrolls contain the forbidden high level spells, like Karsus' spell, and with the scrolls, allows them to be cast, regardless of Mystra's ban.  That would be a reason to keep them away from everyone!  It would also be interesting if the scrolls touched on sorcerers or spellfire users.  Nothing I'm finding says they do.  Maybe a new find in current day that wasn't around for Netheril?  Of course, the arcanists of Netheril would probably not be amused by sorcerers or spellfire wielders. Thanks for the discussion!</blockquote>

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