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Message: <blockquote data-quote="yennico" data-source="post: 2232392" data-attributes="member: 11978">Here are my thoughts.You want to convert the ED nethermancer to D&D. Which aspect of the nethermancer do you want to emphasise?His aspect of dealing with death? Then play a necromancer with true necromancer prcHis aspect of summoning outsiders? Then play a wizard or a conjurer with the thaumaturgist prc.His aspect of guarding the material world against outsiders or the ethereal creatures ? Play a an incantatrix with the background description of the class from 3.0.He also can be a planar champion. If I had to do a quick and dirty conversion of the ED spellcasters I would change:- ED elementalist to a wizard with elemental savant prc- ED illusionist to a illusionist perhaps with mind bender prc.- ED nethermancer to a either necromancer with true necromancer prc, conjurer with thaumaturgist prc or a abjurer with a strong modified 3.0 incantatrix prc.- ED wizard to a wizard with loremaster prcBack to topic:Converting the nethermancerDo you really need a new core class? Or can the nethermancer be converted in a prc?1. Nethermancers are pure arcane spellcasters. Wizards are also pure arcane spellcasters.2. A pure wizard get up to level 20 full spell progression and six feats (including scribe scroll and summon familiar).3. A new core class has to be equal powerful as the other core classes.If you want to convert the nethermancer to a new core class you can give him only six new abilities. You can give him only six new abilities if you do not change the bab, the saves, etc... I was GM for Earthdawn a long time ago, but I remember the nethermancer as more powerful spellcasters than a pure wizard in D&D. IMHO you can convert a nethermancer only in a prc with 10 levels.1. A wizard is not a cleric. A wizard can summon outsiders who do not have the same alignment than he.2. death and corruption are not things for a good character.If death is something good, life is something bad....What are infernal and celestial spells? Summon monster spells?What is a greater demonic spell ? A spell with an evil descriptor? IMHO in D&D a nethermancer with his powers can not be good, he can be neutral or evil, but not good. Necromantic spells, Animal possession and enslavement are abilities a good characters can not use. If you want a wizard whose aligment is good and who summons celestials to fight evil outsiders build a new prc.A wizard can not heal.No! A lawful good person or deity never will use necromancy. Good persons do not use enslavement e.g of a spririt.Nethermancer as a core class:You can not give the nethermancer two good saves and some abilities. That is to powerfulYou can not give a nethermancer at level 1 a familiar with a template because most templates have a level adjustments so the familiar with a template is more powerful than a familiar of a wizard.Change this ability to improved familiar as bonus feat at level 7.You can drop this whole paragraph if you write: Nethermancers learn and cast spells like a wizard.In D&D exists only two restrictions fro spells:1. One or two prohibited schools of magic for a wizard specialist2. A spellcaster can learn spells only from a special spell list.   In D&D exit no alteration spells. Do you mean transmutation spells?  Astral sight:  I would use for astral sight the See ethereal ability of the 3.0 incantatrixOnce per day a nethermancer can see into the ethereal plane for number of rounds ewqual her class level.For further information read the 3.0 Magic or Faerun p. 32. Frighten:This can either be done by spell e.g. fear, the skill <a href="http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/skillsAll.html#intimidate" target="_blank">intimidate</a>  or an aura of fear.Out of the srd: Taunt:Taunt is a very powerful talent is ED.For a low level taunt you can use the the spell "doom", but it is the same effect than a successful intimidate check. You also can rename this spell e.g. draining courage and add this spell to the wizard spells level 1.  Animal Possession:I have no clear idea to convert this ability, because this ability is very powerful.A high level nethermancer can cast hold monster on a monster and can cast a spell which let his soul switch the place with the soul of the animal, but he also can polymorph himself into a monster.Spirit Hold:Like an Hold Monster on an undead. Normally enchantment spells do not work on undeads. Spirit Talk:The spell tongues let a wizard speak all languages.Life Sight:Life sight sounds like deathwatch, a cleric spell level 1. Add this spell to the spell list.Spirit Dodge:The nethermancer must perform an evil ritual in which he binds a spirit to his body. This ritual is evil because the nethermancer enslaves the spirit.The benefit of this ritual: a +1 to AC per 2 levels nethermancer and the nethermancer does +1d6 cold damage in melee combat. If +1 per 2 levels is to powerful reduced the bonus to +1 per 3 levels.A successful turning negates temporary the effect of spirit dodge. A turning that destroys the spirit and send the spirit to it´s rest also destroys the binding of the spirit. This negates the effect of spirit dodge as long the nethermancer perfoms a new binding.If the nethermancer bound a spirit who is not a material world native, a successful dismissal and banishment can send the spirit back to his home plane.A successful dispel magic can also destroy the binding of the spirit.Orbiting Spy:Sound like Wizard level 5 spell: Prying eyes.Arcane Mutterings: You can use the ghostsound spell (which will have nearly no effect) or you use the daze or daze monster spell and rename these spells. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Astral Pocket: This can either be the spell rope trick or secret shelter. Or heward handy haversack. I also remember a 3.0 spell which summons a pocket for the familiar of a wizard.</blockquote>

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