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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Giltonio_Santos" data-source="post: 6371174" data-attributes="member: 36874">What I'm seeing from that quote is that Rob believes that 4E shares some traits with indie games, which I agree. On the other hand, we have statements by Mike Mearls, and also other designers at WotC at the time that all agree that 4E was designed thinking about what would catch the attention of people with a WoW or WoW-like (not an indie game) background.I know that 4E supporters feel that's almost imperative to defend against this kind of comparison, because it has frequently been used in an aggressive manner, but, as I've said earlier, I love WoW and I don't believe being influenced by one of the most successful videogames of all time is a demerit at all. Also, of all things "non-D&D" about 4E, no WoW similarities make the list of the offenders, if you ask me*.That said, it's hard to defend that WoW was not a big influence and that the similarities between the two games (I mean, those that start with 4E) were not intentional. Maybe you got it right and a lot of people got it wrong, but as long as we can't be certain either way, I'll still believe all similarities were very intentional.Cheers!*Ok, maybe the 4E redesign of tieflings made them too draenei-like for my own taste.</blockquote>