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Never considered banning a spell before: Portho's Portal from BoET
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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 9451455" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>Thanks for the reply!</p><p></p><p>These are good thoughts. I had also thought about the "owned" location thing: that starts to get a little tricky because then you have to ask "who owns this location?" (who owns the streets of Waterdeep?) and it becomes a bit meta-gamey, plus you could always just go outside 10 feet and cast the spell for nearly the same effect while avoiding the restriction.</p><p></p><p>The more I think about it, I believe my biggest issue comes from the fact that this spell completely invalidates the entire Horde of the Dragon Queen adventure (the bad guys are routing tons of treasure all over the world to get it back to a single spot). Unfortunately, every tweak I can come up with fails to address this issue: there's no situation where this spell could be limited and still not give the bad guys a far easier option than what happens in the campaign. I believe the core problem is that it's just too low of a level: I feel like it should have been 7th or maybe 8th. 7th level wizards are easy to find in that campaign: 15th level? Not so much.</p><p></p><p>Word of Recall (mentioned above; 6th level) is a great example: this spell is functionally better in every way, except for casting time - and it's two levels lower?</p><p></p><p>I didn't realize this book (BoET) was Kobold Press and not WotC, so I think that's starting to become a justification in my mind to ban it, although I hate to do that. Maybe I can just say it's an 8th level spell instead (and Ebon Tide is also 8th level). From what I'm reading online of Kobold Press materials, a complaint that has come up at least a couple of times is that their spell levels can be too high or too low; I'm otherwise unfamiliar with this publishing house.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 9451455, member: 9789"] Thanks for the reply! These are good thoughts. I had also thought about the "owned" location thing: that starts to get a little tricky because then you have to ask "who owns this location?" (who owns the streets of Waterdeep?) and it becomes a bit meta-gamey, plus you could always just go outside 10 feet and cast the spell for nearly the same effect while avoiding the restriction. The more I think about it, I believe my biggest issue comes from the fact that this spell completely invalidates the entire Horde of the Dragon Queen adventure (the bad guys are routing tons of treasure all over the world to get it back to a single spot). Unfortunately, every tweak I can come up with fails to address this issue: there's no situation where this spell could be limited and still not give the bad guys a far easier option than what happens in the campaign. I believe the core problem is that it's just too low of a level: I feel like it should have been 7th or maybe 8th. 7th level wizards are easy to find in that campaign: 15th level? Not so much. Word of Recall (mentioned above; 6th level) is a great example: this spell is functionally better in every way, except for casting time - and it's two levels lower? I didn't realize this book (BoET) was Kobold Press and not WotC, so I think that's starting to become a justification in my mind to ban it, although I hate to do that. Maybe I can just say it's an 8th level spell instead (and Ebon Tide is also 8th level). From what I'm reading online of Kobold Press materials, a complaint that has come up at least a couple of times is that their spell levels can be too high or too low; I'm otherwise unfamiliar with this publishing house. [/QUOTE]
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