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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 8096796" data-attributes="member: 7024481">why can't Barbarians or Orcs have alchemy skill?   If your anal about rules then a half Orc alchemist who lives with the orc tribe.   Orcs could capture an Alchemist and use him.     One Treant would get a chance to bat away the kegs.  Two Unless the players have high skill in siege engines how are the acurateally throwing the barrells?  and What are the Elve's and other Treeant's going to do when you start blowing up Treants?  Forests usually have lots of Treants.  they are slow to act but a month later they may come out of the forest when the PC's arent there and rip thier city completely apart. If your fiends aren't smartly using every single thing they can against the players you arent' playing them right.  Or even without alchemy all the enemy needs to know is fire burns gunpowder.  Shaman summons fire elemental during battle .  Boom.     also mideivel black powder is not like the modern stuff.  It should just fail to burn periodically.  If it get wet you can't dry it out and then use it.    A lot of undead are intelligent and formerly living . In a world with gun powder some magical beasts will know what it is.    And  seriously how do you throw a keg of gunpowder without it breaking and scattering the Gunpowder all over the ground  just the act of picking it up and hurling it might crack it enough that the powder would start to come out and then no big boom?    two  an exploding keg of gunpowder wouldn't have a big blast radius and flying pieces of wood would suck but not be grape shot or cannonballs.  And as far as alchmist and production that's when enemies send assasains or teleporting mages to capture them and start thier own production.  Or even more simply Some smart guy watches party makes his own factory if its that easy maybe a dozen factories and starts selling gunpowder in bulk to everyone one and the players now have to deal with Orc's, Goblins and other PC's that can buy or steal gunpowder and use it against them.    That's how technology advances one guy gets a temporary advantage and then someone else runs with it.  My favorite idea off the cuff though would be to send in water elementals, or if the game is high enough level  some elven druid may just say enough and call a hurricane in on thier factory, and city.</blockquote>

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