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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 9374683" data-attributes="member: 42040">DC20 has a 4-action economy. So I guess that's an improvement over PF2's 3-action economy? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Not to yuck on your yum, but I'm just so burned out on PF2 right now. I've been GMing it for a few years now, and here's my experience:1) Didn't like the name changes and small changes in the Remaster. It's enough of a change to cause a headache at the table without improving anything.2) Conditions being confusing (and way too many)3) Dang diagonal movement. I hated it in 3rd edition and I still hate it.4) The extraordinarily limited range of suitable monsters you can use (they're either exactly right or completely overpowered or completely worthless). 5) You can't effectively use low-level monsters as mooks/minions because they are still complex to run (and can't challenge the PCs)6) There are too many options for feats and other builds that you can't make a character simply (without tools)7) Those same tools are vital just for running the game. Trying to run in-person is a Herculean task.8) Adventure Paths are railroads full of impertinent details and backstory that doesn't matter.9) Too many classes. (Swashbuckler, Gunslinger, Witch, etc., could just be subclasses.)10) The 3-action economy is an illusion. (You also have reactions, there are many actions that are activities that take multiple actions.) Plus, with the Multiple Attack Penalty, using your third action to attack is usually pointless. And for most characters there is nothing useful to do with your third action anyway.11) Most feats are so limited in application that we forget to use them. Or you have around 20 of them, so who's going to remember anyway?12) Multiple levels of success and failure is cool, until you realize you have to learn 4 different spell effects.13) Healing doesn't matter because you are able to Treat Wounds all day long. So the only unit of time that matters is the 30-minute combat. 14) There's not enough 3PP support to address a variety of playstyles. (Unlike in 3.x/PF1 or 5e.)15) I don't like the kitchen-sink setting of Golarion. And it's so hard-wired into the rules that I can't imagine building my own world.16) About half of the APs are significantly flawed. 17) About half the classes are pointless and repetitive or underpowered (alchemist? champion?)</blockquote>

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