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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eric V" data-source="post: 9383351" data-attributes="member: 6779717">I don't think I was trying to stifle conversation and feel it's unfair to label me as doing so; I maintain that writing "this keeps getting touted as a good thing is almost as infuriating at this point. I've never been more stifled in a game then with this crap" is not an authentic invitation to conversation and seems more like threadcrapping.Like [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] , I am playing two F20 games: 13thAge and PF2E.  They satisfy different itches for me.  The latter allows for fantastic customization without trap options (character creation, but also equipment, spells, etc.). The flavour of things is great, and is represented in the mechanics.   The degrees of success matter.  Player decisions matter a lot.  Teamwork matters a lot.  Commerce matters.  Downtime matters (I especially love this).  It can do high magic, no magic or anything in between.  The support on Foundry is AWESOME.It's not a perfect game; if some players are more casual, or just don't know their characters well, it can bog down significantly.  Having said that, because it's so hard to make a bad character, even a simpler point-and-click character contributes just fine.  It does the 3 pillars of play better than any other F20 game I have played.  For combat, it has managed to thread the needle between the love-it-but-too-damn-complex tactical combat of 4e and the blandness of many other systems.  I'll never play enough to play all the different characters that come to mind when I read the books.  They even have a warlord coming out. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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