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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9420629" data-attributes="member: 6778210">Sure, but the ability to fix problems often depend on how open the system is to a fix. In the case of the skill system, things were designed in such a way that makes this very easy compared to 5E, where I think the problems are different and require deeper solutions. But this was based on [USER=90374]@payn[/USER] talking about different skills systems and me putting in my thoughts along with how I thought you could fix the problem being perceived. Seems disingenuous to remove it from that context like this.It's not an optional rule, it's part of the <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2629" target="_blank">guidance on DCs</a>!But that was also a response to a different conversation. I'm not sure how this is productive given this is a different conversation on a completely different topic of the thread (this one being part of the whole "intrinsic DCs" that got brought up). I don't understand the critique.... And?My point was that there's nothing stopping intrinsic DCs and that the DCs are simply not always leveled. They are allowed to be, but the point is that there are simple guidelines set that you can use. I was correcting a misconception with the rules, not stating that one was always used over the other. Yes, there is a gulf between the advancement of simple DCs and leveled ones, but that wasn't really at odds with what the discussion was about and where it went, so...?</blockquote>

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