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<blockquote data-quote="Zaruthustran" data-source="post: 963196" data-attributes="member: 1457"><p>Regarding 1, I guess my biggest beef is that there's no reason for a front-line fighter-type to have a high Charisma--unless you're a Paladin, or you're going for the Holy Liberator prestige class, or you're going to multiclass.</p><p></p><p>Even if you wanted to put a high stat in Cha for roleplaying reasons, you're out of luck because the social skills (except Intimidate) are cross-class. So at first level your 16 Charisma Fighter will be less persuasive than a 10 Charisma Rogue who put 4 points into Diplomacy, and it only gets worse from there.</p><p></p><p>I just think there's a real need for a flashy fighter who can talk. Look at the Three Musketeers, at the Dread Pirate Roberts, at Zorro. These guys were masters of wit and blade. They're iconic fantasy characters, and they're not in D&D.</p><p></p><p>2) As above, but look to Russel Crowe's Gladiator, or Mel Gibson's Braveheart, or Bruce Campbell's Ash, or anybody's Robin Hood*. These guys were fearless leaders, they could take a lot of punishment, they increased the fighting abilities of their companions, they could kick butt--but they weren't lawful good, and they didn't sing. And they're not in D&D.</p><p></p><p>-z</p><p></p><p>* Gamers usually think of Robin Hood as a Ranger, but he didn't really have much to do with animals, and he was a nobleman, not a hunter. Aragorn was a Ranger, Robin Hood was a Commander/Swashbuckler. Or, in D&D 3E, I guess he's a Fighter/Rogue/Bard/Holy Liberator without the "holy" part. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zaruthustran, post: 963196, member: 1457"] Regarding 1, I guess my biggest beef is that there's no reason for a front-line fighter-type to have a high Charisma--unless you're a Paladin, or you're going for the Holy Liberator prestige class, or you're going to multiclass. Even if you wanted to put a high stat in Cha for roleplaying reasons, you're out of luck because the social skills (except Intimidate) are cross-class. So at first level your 16 Charisma Fighter will be less persuasive than a 10 Charisma Rogue who put 4 points into Diplomacy, and it only gets worse from there. I just think there's a real need for a flashy fighter who can talk. Look at the Three Musketeers, at the Dread Pirate Roberts, at Zorro. These guys were masters of wit and blade. They're iconic fantasy characters, and they're not in D&D. 2) As above, but look to Russel Crowe's Gladiator, or Mel Gibson's Braveheart, or Bruce Campbell's Ash, or anybody's Robin Hood*. These guys were fearless leaders, they could take a lot of punishment, they increased the fighting abilities of their companions, they could kick butt--but they weren't lawful good, and they didn't sing. And they're not in D&D. -z * Gamers usually think of Robin Hood as a Ranger, but he didn't really have much to do with animals, and he was a nobleman, not a hunter. Aragorn was a Ranger, Robin Hood was a Commander/Swashbuckler. Or, in D&D 3E, I guess he's a Fighter/Rogue/Bard/Holy Liberator without the "holy" part. ;) [/QUOTE]
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