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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zil" data-source="post: 4189805" data-attributes="member: 20004">Huh?  I always thought we were talking about priests talking to a crowd of folks in a city, so we're looking at civilized folks to start with.  As for Sigil with demons and such, okay, so there are supernatural provocateurs present in that case so they might encourage some citizens to turn to the "Gruumsh" side.  But even then, for the city to continue to exist as a functioning entity, it can't allow such disorderly and dangerous conduct to continue.  There will be a reaction to suppress - and most people will support the eventual crackdown.  There won't really be a lot of philosophical debate which is what I'm getting at.  What discussion there is will be in terms of personal security and law and order.  This isn't really going to lead to philosophical debate outside of issues of personal freedoms if the crackdown casts too wide a net.  Gruumsh's values are at odds with the values of any civilized society - unless they are turned towards some kind of hated or disliked group - outsiders or some distrusted minority.  Now if the demons and Grumsh's clerics are smart, they'll urge the city to turn on minorities and outsiders.  That doesn't make it right, but it will be easier for them to maintain their pogroms without tipping the balance so much that the majority starts to feel endangered in their homes.   And then you might get more sustained philosophical debate as the city/state is forced to seriously wrestle with moral issues. No argument that any particular pantheon or pantheons are required, but you need to do more than what you stated for it to make any sense.</blockquote>

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