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<blockquote data-quote="Voss" data-source="post: 4010530" data-attributes="member: 57593">So in addition to rings randomly not working if you aren't 11th level+, now magic items don't function outside of a PCs hands?&nbsp; Really, thats what you're telling me?&nbsp; Because that idea actually wins the 'Worst 4e Idea So Far' Award&nbsp; &nbsp; @Zimri- OK, I'll bite.&nbsp; The primary items are actually worked into the math and pretty much required.&nbsp; Where are they coming from then, if the NPCs don't have them, and you can't loot them? Are they falling out of the ether, or are you really turning over a treasure card after the encounter is over?&nbsp; Really, I don't expect them from every encounter, but the rules do seem to expect each PC to have primary items that are at least roughly level appropriate for them.&nbsp; And since dungeoneering is an expected, normal thing in 4e, if you aren't tomb raiding for the magical loot, what are you looking for?&nbsp; I suppose every single item in the campaign *could* be a reward from the quest givers, but I suspect a decent number of players will expect to find magic items in the course of their adventures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voss, post: 4010530, member: 57593"] So in addition to rings randomly not working if you aren't 11th level+, now magic items don't function outside of a PCs hands? Really, thats what you're telling me? Because that idea actually wins the 'Worst 4e Idea So Far' Award @Zimri- OK, I'll bite. The primary items are actually worked into the math and pretty much required. Where are they coming from then, if the NPCs don't have them, and you can't loot them? Are they falling out of the ether, or are you really turning over a treasure card after the encounter is over? Really, I don't expect them from every encounter, but the rules do seem to expect each PC to have primary items that are at least roughly level appropriate for them. And since dungeoneering is an expected, normal thing in 4e, if you aren't tomb raiding for the magical loot, what are you looking for? I suppose every single item in the campaign *could* be a reward from the quest givers, but I suspect a decent number of players will expect to find magic items in the course of their adventures. [/QUOTE]

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