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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voss" data-source="post: 4011933" data-attributes="member: 57593">The problem, however, is all the secondary items.  Bracers with offensive and defensive effects, gloves with attack effects, belts with strength boosting, the 'few' potions and whatnot that affect combat.  All that will add up to quite a bit, even if they don't give numerical bonuses.  (And actually, will be harder to balance because they don't).  In combination, they could quite easily take appropriate level encounters and move them from challenging to cakewalk.Urk.  That makes even less sense.  Picking up or putting down an axe changes his level and hit points, and whatever else?  Attacking an NPC in the shower actually changes his level?  Actually, no, not really.  Its more that I think that if the PCs are going to earn an item, the best way of showing they are worthy of it is to face it.  (Barring one-use consumables, of course.  But thats its own issue, since stockpiling potions helps really break the game).  I think, if they are getting the +2 axe from the orc, the orc should get the actual bonus from the axe.  So, if the party is fighting two 7th level orcs (and whatever else to make it an appropriate encounter) the two orcs should be whatever is appropriate for 7th level orcs, and the one using the +2 axe should have the bonuses that a +2 axe gives.  Without... weird metagame side effects that increase the orcs level in some weird way.</blockquote>