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<blockquote data-quote="BookBarbarian" data-source="post: 7703474" data-attributes="member: 6802553"><p>Absolutely true, but what does barbarian actually mean? A lot of what I would have called a Barbarian's narrative has been extracted into the Outlander Background. Heck, A Fighter with the Outlander background makes a very similar Narrative to most Barbarians, So what actually set's it apart?</p><p></p><p>A lot of people would answer "Rage" maybe with Unarmored defense added to it, but I think that is to narrow. Some might answer Tribal Warrior and while that certainly accounts for a lot of Archetypal Barbarians you do run into the Outlander Problem I highlighted above.</p><p></p><p>I guess everyone with have a slightly different answer as to what a Barbarian is. And yours obviously doesn't have to answer mine, but I'll give mine anyway.</p><p></p><p>A fighter learns how to fight typically through a discipline, as part of an army, or perhaps trained under a mentor. So, for lack of a better word I will call the source of the Fighter's fighting abilities "Training"</p><p></p><p>For me the source of the Barbarian's power does not come from Training or Discipline. It come's from another source. The Berserker's comes strictly from Rage/Frenzy/Fury. They get Mad ergo they get Strong and Tough. The Battlerager is essentially the same. The Totem Warrior comes from a Natural source. An actual connection to the spirit's of nature. So a Totem Warrior's rage is not just anger. It's channeling something akin to a wild animals survival instinct. Added to these we now have Ancestral Spirits and Elemental spirits (or the elements themselves) which would be fairly similar to the Totem Warrior.</p><p></p><p>I don't see how the Zealot drawing power from a deity is all that different than one drawing power from the elements, animal, or ancestral spirits. They all are Non Trained, Non Disciplined Fighters, just with an external power source that somehow mixes with their Natural abilities.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately I think that I like that it's not a Paladin or a Cleric for the exact reason you dislike it. A Paladin or Cleric version of Holy Fury or Divine Frenzy Warrior wouldn't suit the narrative I'm trying to create with a Zealot. My Zealot holds to no External Oath. He doesn't even need to worship a God because he has been touched by one (similar to a Favored Soul I suppose).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BookBarbarian, post: 7703474, member: 6802553"] Absolutely true, but what does barbarian actually mean? A lot of what I would have called a Barbarian's narrative has been extracted into the Outlander Background. Heck, A Fighter with the Outlander background makes a very similar Narrative to most Barbarians, So what actually set's it apart? A lot of people would answer "Rage" maybe with Unarmored defense added to it, but I think that is to narrow. Some might answer Tribal Warrior and while that certainly accounts for a lot of Archetypal Barbarians you do run into the Outlander Problem I highlighted above. I guess everyone with have a slightly different answer as to what a Barbarian is. And yours obviously doesn't have to answer mine, but I'll give mine anyway. A fighter learns how to fight typically through a discipline, as part of an army, or perhaps trained under a mentor. So, for lack of a better word I will call the source of the Fighter's fighting abilities "Training" For me the source of the Barbarian's power does not come from Training or Discipline. It come's from another source. The Berserker's comes strictly from Rage/Frenzy/Fury. They get Mad ergo they get Strong and Tough. The Battlerager is essentially the same. The Totem Warrior comes from a Natural source. An actual connection to the spirit's of nature. So a Totem Warrior's rage is not just anger. It's channeling something akin to a wild animals survival instinct. Added to these we now have Ancestral Spirits and Elemental spirits (or the elements themselves) which would be fairly similar to the Totem Warrior. I don't see how the Zealot drawing power from a deity is all that different than one drawing power from the elements, animal, or ancestral spirits. They all are Non Trained, Non Disciplined Fighters, just with an external power source that somehow mixes with their Natural abilities. Ultimately I think that I like that it's not a Paladin or a Cleric for the exact reason you dislike it. A Paladin or Cleric version of Holy Fury or Divine Frenzy Warrior wouldn't suit the narrative I'm trying to create with a Zealot. My Zealot holds to no External Oath. He doesn't even need to worship a God because he has been touched by one (similar to a Favored Soul I suppose). [/QUOTE]
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