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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 790038" data-attributes="member: 5171"><p>Power Attack.</p><p></p><p>Everyone forgets about Power Attack. It was barely useful in D&D, taken more often as a chance to get Cleave than because you really wanted it. Here in d20 Modern, though, Power Attack is your chance to concentrate all the damage potential for your round into one single attack -- any secondary attacks you might have are probably doomed to failure, but your first attack, if you do the math right, can hit hard enough to knock somebody out (or put 'em at -1 immediately when you do lethal damage).</p><p></p><p>Aside from that, you get, quite literally, what you pay for. Nobody had Brawl? Nobody took martial arts feats? And then you complain about your characters not having the ability to render someone unconscious in a COMPLETELY SAFE fashion with NO LONG-TERM RISKS to their health? You're not supposed to be able to be very good at it unless you put feats into it. A bouncer, a boxer, a tough guy with years of combat experience under his belt -- that is to say, anyone who could be reasonably expected to be good at this sort of thing -- will have the feats.</p><p></p><p>Heck, I'd love to be able to fight with a pair of nunchaku in each hand without penalties, too, but I'm not going to complain if I'm not very effective because I didn't get Exotic Weapon Proficiency or Two-Weapon Fighting.</p><p></p><p>If you don't have the feats, do lethal damage, get them down and dying, and make a Treat Injury check. Bam. Stabilized. Not as pretty, but then, you haven't designed your character to be that good at combat.</p><p></p><p>-Tacky</p><p></p><p>PS:</p><p></p><p>"You shouldn't need special training in unarmed fighting to knock a guy out."</p><p></p><p>Yes, actually, you should. You definitely should need a feat to knock someone out without putting them in any danger of permanent injury. Ask police officers why so many chokeholds are against the rules for them to use except in life-threatening situations. Ask them where they are and aren't allowed to hit a suspect with their nightstick. It's tough. The human body does not naturally tend toward unconsciousness. Putting it there without ALSO doing it something ugly and potentially fatal is not the easiest thing in the world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="takyris, post: 790038, member: 5171"] Power Attack. Everyone forgets about Power Attack. It was barely useful in D&D, taken more often as a chance to get Cleave than because you really wanted it. Here in d20 Modern, though, Power Attack is your chance to concentrate all the damage potential for your round into one single attack -- any secondary attacks you might have are probably doomed to failure, but your first attack, if you do the math right, can hit hard enough to knock somebody out (or put 'em at -1 immediately when you do lethal damage). Aside from that, you get, quite literally, what you pay for. Nobody had Brawl? Nobody took martial arts feats? And then you complain about your characters not having the ability to render someone unconscious in a COMPLETELY SAFE fashion with NO LONG-TERM RISKS to their health? You're not supposed to be able to be very good at it unless you put feats into it. A bouncer, a boxer, a tough guy with years of combat experience under his belt -- that is to say, anyone who could be reasonably expected to be good at this sort of thing -- will have the feats. Heck, I'd love to be able to fight with a pair of nunchaku in each hand without penalties, too, but I'm not going to complain if I'm not very effective because I didn't get Exotic Weapon Proficiency or Two-Weapon Fighting. If you don't have the feats, do lethal damage, get them down and dying, and make a Treat Injury check. Bam. Stabilized. Not as pretty, but then, you haven't designed your character to be that good at combat. -Tacky PS: "You shouldn't need special training in unarmed fighting to knock a guy out." Yes, actually, you should. You definitely should need a feat to knock someone out without putting them in any danger of permanent injury. Ask police officers why so many chokeholds are against the rules for them to use except in life-threatening situations. Ask them where they are and aren't allowed to hit a suspect with their nightstick. It's tough. The human body does not naturally tend toward unconsciousness. Putting it there without ALSO doing it something ugly and potentially fatal is not the easiest thing in the world. [/QUOTE]
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