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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6344621" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>When, other than in comics, does any character not have an obvious expiration date? In movies, you get maybe a trilogy - six hours of the character's adventures. In novels, the same - the short story genre you may get 20 pages of a character! TV series typically run for seven seasons or less, but often only one or two seasons. In no medium other than comics does time get so stretched such that the character can be the same, basically forever. So, the idea that people cannot commit to short-run characters is a bit weak.</p><p></p><p>This is not to say that the gender or race swap is preferable to having a full-fledged hero of another race or gender. </p><p></p><p>But, let us be clear about something else - it isn't like Marvel doesn't have female characters, or characters of other races. Asian, Hispanic, Indian, and Asian characters all exist, and have for decades. Female characters exist, and have for decades. Depiction and use of these heroes have been imperfect, I grant you - females have been depicted as eye-candy, members of various races have been stereotyped, and so on. But, as the times have changed, so have the depictions of the heroes. And, arguably, Marvel has generally been slightly ahead of the culture curve in their use - not *far* ahead, but slightly.</p><p></p><p>There is an issue, that these characters do tend to be "B-list". But Marvel's only partially in control of who is on the A-list. It is, for the most part, a popularity contest. Wolverine, for example was never supposed to be a big deal*. But, the readers loved him, so he got more and more spotlight, until he became a commercial driving force for the X-Men. Marvel is always in hot competition with others - they listen to their sales numbers, and they adapt. If they are sluggish to put such characters to the fore, it is at least in part because the audience doesn't respond to them.</p><p></p><p>So, how much risk is the company supposed to take on moral grounds? How much are they supposed to respond to critics when the audience isn't buying?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>* "It was just one of those secondary or tertiary characters, actually, that we were using in that particular book with no particular notion of it going anywhere." - Herb Trimpe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6344621, member: 177"] When, other than in comics, does any character not have an obvious expiration date? In movies, you get maybe a trilogy - six hours of the character's adventures. In novels, the same - the short story genre you may get 20 pages of a character! TV series typically run for seven seasons or less, but often only one or two seasons. In no medium other than comics does time get so stretched such that the character can be the same, basically forever. So, the idea that people cannot commit to short-run characters is a bit weak. This is not to say that the gender or race swap is preferable to having a full-fledged hero of another race or gender. But, let us be clear about something else - it isn't like Marvel doesn't have female characters, or characters of other races. Asian, Hispanic, Indian, and Asian characters all exist, and have for decades. Female characters exist, and have for decades. Depiction and use of these heroes have been imperfect, I grant you - females have been depicted as eye-candy, members of various races have been stereotyped, and so on. But, as the times have changed, so have the depictions of the heroes. And, arguably, Marvel has generally been slightly ahead of the culture curve in their use - not *far* ahead, but slightly. There is an issue, that these characters do tend to be "B-list". But Marvel's only partially in control of who is on the A-list. It is, for the most part, a popularity contest. Wolverine, for example was never supposed to be a big deal*. But, the readers loved him, so he got more and more spotlight, until he became a commercial driving force for the X-Men. Marvel is always in hot competition with others - they listen to their sales numbers, and they adapt. If they are sluggish to put such characters to the fore, it is at least in part because the audience doesn't respond to them. So, how much risk is the company supposed to take on moral grounds? How much are they supposed to respond to critics when the audience isn't buying? * "It was just one of those secondary or tertiary characters, actually, that we were using in that particular book with no particular notion of it going anywhere." - Herb Trimpe. [/QUOTE]
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