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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6344747" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Though there ARE exceptions, you're right in general. But I- and the writer of that CNN piece to which I linked- are only talking about the context of the comic book market in particular. And the history is clear: heroic mantles get passed in a cycle, not in a line. The general rule in comics is that the originator of the heroic ID almost invariably winds up taking it back from whomever it was passed to, regardless of whom it was passed to.</p><p></p><p>So, when a woman or minority character takes up the ID of Iron Man, Captain America, etc., you, as a reader, know that this is temporary 99% of the time. And because it is so probably temporary! it becomes a bit of a self-fufilling prophecy that this character will not succeed. At least, not in terms of generating a significant uptick of female or minority interest in the character. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Change takes time. It took a long time for Thomas Kalmaku to tell Hal Jordan to stop calling him "Pieface", but he did do so.</p><p></p><p>But personally, I always appreciated it more when minority and female characters were presented with their own identities, and allowed to fail or succeed on their own merits. I loved Luke Cage, Tyroc, Falcon, etc., and was disappointed that James Rhodes had to give up being Iron Man...then cheered when he became War Machine. (Even though it meant he was wearing the "obsolete" stuff...)</p><p></p><p>The young black woman from Louisiana who became Captain Marvel was another disappointment. I liked her backstory and the character, but she was merely renting the name. We (other minority comic book buyers I was buddies with) knew it wouldn't last. It was a sore point- why couldn't she have her own name, one more appropriate to her power suite? (Eventually, she got it.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm perfectly cool with characters being introduced and failing or succeeding. What I'm not cool with is the whole second-hand nature of so many of the more recent attempts.</p><p></p><p>It's like our heroes come from the thrift shop.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, the borrowed glory issue arises.</p><p></p><p>If publishers want to make female/minority characters, I'm all for it. But why must their origins be inextricably tied to having a white male predecessor? Stereotypes or not, the ones who have always been female or minority at least have their own identity.</p><p></p><p>Sink or swim, there's an intrinsic value there.</p><p></p><p>Besides, it kind of begs the question: those female and minority characters who fail...is it because of their minority status, or a lack of compelling storylines and/or art?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 6344747, member: 19675"] Though there ARE exceptions, you're right in general. But I- and the writer of that CNN piece to which I linked- are only talking about the context of the comic book market in particular. And the history is clear: heroic mantles get passed in a cycle, not in a line. The general rule in comics is that the originator of the heroic ID almost invariably winds up taking it back from whomever it was passed to, regardless of whom it was passed to. So, when a woman or minority character takes up the ID of Iron Man, Captain America, etc., you, as a reader, know that this is temporary 99% of the time. And because it is so probably temporary! it becomes a bit of a self-fufilling prophecy that this character will not succeed. At least, not in terms of generating a significant uptick of female or minority interest in the character. Change takes time. It took a long time for Thomas Kalmaku to tell Hal Jordan to stop calling him "Pieface", but he did do so. But personally, I always appreciated it more when minority and female characters were presented with their own identities, and allowed to fail or succeed on their own merits. I loved Luke Cage, Tyroc, Falcon, etc., and was disappointed that James Rhodes had to give up being Iron Man...then cheered when he became War Machine. (Even though it meant he was wearing the "obsolete" stuff...) The young black woman from Louisiana who became Captain Marvel was another disappointment. I liked her backstory and the character, but she was merely renting the name. We (other minority comic book buyers I was buddies with) knew it wouldn't last. It was a sore point- why couldn't she have her own name, one more appropriate to her power suite? (Eventually, she got it.) I'm perfectly cool with characters being introduced and failing or succeeding. What I'm not cool with is the whole second-hand nature of so many of the more recent attempts. It's like our heroes come from the thrift shop. Again, the borrowed glory issue arises. If publishers want to make female/minority characters, I'm all for it. But why must their origins be inextricably tied to having a white male predecessor? Stereotypes or not, the ones who have always been female or minority at least have their own identity. Sink or swim, there's an intrinsic value there. Besides, it kind of begs the question: those female and minority characters who fail...is it because of their minority status, or a lack of compelling storylines and/or art? [/QUOTE]
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