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<blockquote data-quote="Henadic Theologian" data-source="post: 9571450" data-attributes="member: 7030526"><p>Wow the was hugely disappointing. No Planar Paragons, no new lower CR Angels, I'm fine with making Sphinxes into Celestials, but don't like the tie.dyed winged lion look, making Giant Elk/Eagles/Owls & Guardian Nagas becoming celestials are fine, but not exciting. I think Empyrean Iota will have to fill in that gap. Battle Angels/Agathion should have filled in the gap at lower CR for soldier angels, They also screwed up the Angel military ranking, Planartars weren't rank and file soldiers, they were Generals, and Solars were advisers and viceroy of the Gods themselves, not mere Generals. Agathions were the soldier angels, who could even take the form of weapons.</p><p></p><p> Also the gap between Empyreans and Empyrean Iotas is huge, could have used a mid range version, maybe Empyrean Erote or something.</p><p></p><p>No Lilin either.</p><p></p><p> They blew way, way, too much of the expanded page count on NPC stats. Instead of multiple variants of each, they should have remained template, but designed in a way that you can dial up or down the CR. So no Pirate, Pirate Captian, Pirate Admiral, just one Pirate stat that can dialed up for higher CR or down for lower CR. Save a ton of room.</p><p></p><p> Maybe the Peri should have also appeared in this book, although the both Devas and Peri being messengers is a problem, they need more of a distinct identity from each other.</p><p></p><p> a few cool things like the Empyrean Iota, but otherwise extremely disappointing.</p><p></p><p> Only none disappointing creature type so far in Undead (although in Dragons case it's more massively retconning appearances, and getting rid of templates I don't like, the mechanics I like).</p><p></p><p> Blowing the page count budget on humaniods and still managing to do it poorly really hurts this book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henadic Theologian, post: 9571450, member: 7030526"] Wow the was hugely disappointing. No Planar Paragons, no new lower CR Angels, I'm fine with making Sphinxes into Celestials, but don't like the tie.dyed winged lion look, making Giant Elk/Eagles/Owls & Guardian Nagas becoming celestials are fine, but not exciting. I think Empyrean Iota will have to fill in that gap. Battle Angels/Agathion should have filled in the gap at lower CR for soldier angels, They also screwed up the Angel military ranking, Planartars weren't rank and file soldiers, they were Generals, and Solars were advisers and viceroy of the Gods themselves, not mere Generals. Agathions were the soldier angels, who could even take the form of weapons. Also the gap between Empyreans and Empyrean Iotas is huge, could have used a mid range version, maybe Empyrean Erote or something. No Lilin either. They blew way, way, too much of the expanded page count on NPC stats. Instead of multiple variants of each, they should have remained template, but designed in a way that you can dial up or down the CR. So no Pirate, Pirate Captian, Pirate Admiral, just one Pirate stat that can dialed up for higher CR or down for lower CR. Save a ton of room. Maybe the Peri should have also appeared in this book, although the both Devas and Peri being messengers is a problem, they need more of a distinct identity from each other. a few cool things like the Empyrean Iota, but otherwise extremely disappointing. Only none disappointing creature type so far in Undead (although in Dragons case it's more massively retconning appearances, and getting rid of templates I don't like, the mechanics I like). Blowing the page count budget on humaniods and still managing to do it poorly really hurts this book. [/QUOTE]
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