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<blockquote data-quote="Samir" data-source="post: 5179973" data-attributes="member: 84965">Since one of the two Avenger AC feats is a scaling bonus, it keeps them at plate + heavy shield levels even with Armor Specialization taken into account.Fighter stances, powers, and PPs are what give them the edge, for sure.There is also the benefit of having heavy shield-level AC while still being able to wield a two-handed weapon.Yes. Avengers have high HP for a striker--1 less than a Barbarian--but aren't a Con-class, so they will end up with less than a Con-based Barbarian or a Con-based defender (or, of course, a Warden).Not to mention they only get to pick 3 skills at character creation, plus Religion as a freebie.An Avenger with 12 strength (a common score for fighter MC in Paragon), Athletics training, and Power of Skill (replaces Melee Training and gives +1 to trained skills, pretty much a feat tax) will certainly have a higher skill than a Dragon Magic Sorcerer without the skill, until epic.This. Also, an Avenger needs a party to enable his striker feature, which doesn't function if you're adjacent to more than 1 enemy. The class is built around isolating individual targets and taking them down one by one. Obviously that makes it not very useful for when you're surrounded, which you would be without a party.This is also the reason Avenger defenses are so high; because typically you're taking on monsters one-on-one and you may not have a defender to protect you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Samir, post: 5179973, member: 84965"] Since one of the two Avenger AC feats is a scaling bonus, it keeps them at plate + heavy shield levels even with Armor Specialization taken into account. Fighter stances, powers, and PPs are what give them the edge, for sure. There is also the benefit of having heavy shield-level AC while still being able to wield a two-handed weapon. Yes. Avengers have high HP for a striker--1 less than a Barbarian--but aren't a Con-class, so they will end up with less than a Con-based Barbarian or a Con-based defender (or, of course, a Warden). Not to mention they only get to pick 3 skills at character creation, plus Religion as a freebie. An Avenger with 12 strength (a common score for fighter MC in Paragon), Athletics training, and Power of Skill (replaces Melee Training and gives +1 to trained skills, pretty much a feat tax) will certainly have a higher skill than a Dragon Magic Sorcerer without the skill, until epic. This. Also, an Avenger needs a party to enable his striker feature, which doesn't function if you're adjacent to more than 1 enemy. The class is built around isolating individual targets and taking them down one by one. Obviously that makes it not very useful for when you're surrounded, which you would be without a party. This is also the reason Avenger defenses are so high; because typically you're taking on monsters one-on-one and you may not have a defender to protect you. [/QUOTE]

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